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		<title>By: Robert Heverly</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/09/saving-the-environment.html/comment-page-1#comment-65555</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Heverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this was first posted, I had gotten two of these pieces. In the intervening four days, I have received fifteen more, some multiple times (but each individually addressed to me). I like Dan&#039;s solution (with James&#039;s addition in the mix just for fun). I&#039;d even agree to subscribe to the feed (although in all honesty I would automate the &quot;mark read, archive, delete&quot; function, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this was first posted, I had gotten two of these pieces. In the intervening four days, I have received fifteen more, some multiple times (but each individually addressed to me). I like Dan&#8217;s solution (with James&#8217;s addition in the mix just for fun). I&#8217;d even agree to subscribe to the feed (although in all honesty I would automate the &#8220;mark read, archive, delete&#8221; function, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/09/saving-the-environment.html/comment-page-1#comment-65548</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No thinking person believes that the 10th Amendment is a mere \&quot;trueism\&quot; and that it is surplus language.  No thinking person believes that all trivial acts which only substantially affect interstate commerce when aggregated with other trivial acts,  subject those acts to Congressional regulation under the Commerce Clause.

Thinking persons can take the position that stare decisis requires that we not change 60 years of Commerce Clause jurisprudence (Thomas\&#039; position, perhaps).  Other thinking persons may say \&quot;we took this power because we wanted it,  and we\&#039;re not giving it back without a fight\&quot; (Souter).  Other might think \&quot;we have the right to ignore the 10th Amendment because times have changed (O\&#039;Connor and Kennedy).

However, let\&#039;s not delude ourselves into thinking that the current state of affairs is anything the Founding Fathers would approve of.

Regarding your questions:

Telecommunications and the first amendment:

The Founding Fathers would likely find that providing telecommunication services was interstate commerce which could be regulated by Congress.

However, they would likely feel that the content of the telecommunications were protected by the First Amendment,  or a general liberty right under the 14th.

Commercial airlines:

The Founding Fathers would likely find that transportation of passengers across state lines by air was interstate commerce which could be regulated by Congress.

Islamic terrorism and the fourth amendment:

The Founding Fathers would likely find that defense against Islamic terrorism was a matter of national defense, that enemy combatants, like Southerners during Reconstruction, and many Loyalists during the Revolution, could be tried by military tribunal, but that the writ of habeas corpus could not be suspended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thinking person believes that the 10th Amendment is a mere \&#8221;trueism\&#8221; and that it is surplus language.  No thinking person believes that all trivial acts which only substantially affect interstate commerce when aggregated with other trivial acts,  subject those acts to Congressional regulation under the Commerce Clause.</p>
<p>Thinking persons can take the position that stare decisis requires that we not change 60 years of Commerce Clause jurisprudence (Thomas\&#8217; position, perhaps).  Other thinking persons may say \&#8221;we took this power because we wanted it,  and we\&#8217;re not giving it back without a fight\&#8221; (Souter).  Other might think \&#8221;we have the right to ignore the 10th Amendment because times have changed (O\&#8217;Connor and Kennedy).</p>
<p>However, let\&#8217;s not delude ourselves into thinking that the current state of affairs is anything the Founding Fathers would approve of.</p>
<p>Regarding your questions:</p>
<p>Telecommunications and the first amendment:</p>
<p>The Founding Fathers would likely find that providing telecommunication services was interstate commerce which could be regulated by Congress.</p>
<p>However, they would likely feel that the content of the telecommunications were protected by the First Amendment,  or a general liberty right under the 14th.</p>
<p>Commercial airlines:</p>
<p>The Founding Fathers would likely find that transportation of passengers across state lines by air was interstate commerce which could be regulated by Congress.</p>
<p>Islamic terrorism and the fourth amendment:</p>
<p>The Founding Fathers would likely find that defense against Islamic terrorism was a matter of national defense, that enemy combatants, like Southerners during Reconstruction, and many Loyalists during the Revolution, could be tried by military tribunal, but that the writ of habeas corpus could not be suspended.</p>
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		<title>By: speedplane</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/09/saving-the-environment.html/comment-page-1#comment-65542</link>
		<dc:creator>speedplane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - I suppose you&#039;re right... after checking out Roland&#039;s website I can see that he is fully invested in his loony notion of constitutional law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; I suppose you&#8217;re right&#8230; after checking out Roland&#8217;s website I can see that he is fully invested in his loony notion of constitutional law.</p>
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		<title>By: James Grimmelmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Grimmelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speedplane, disagreement with Roland&#039;s views doesn&#039;t make him a troll; he seems perfectly sincere.

And Daniel, the great part about a centralized blog for this news is that we could save storage space on the server with no loss of information by just replacing the &quot;Post&quot; button with /dev/null.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speedplane, disagreement with Roland&#8217;s views doesn&#8217;t make him a troll; he seems perfectly sincere.</p>
<p>And Daniel, the great part about a centralized blog for this news is that we could save storage space on the server with no loss of information by just replacing the &#8220;Post&#8221; button with /dev/null.</p>
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		<title>By: speedplane</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/09/saving-the-environment.html/comment-page-1#comment-65504</link>
		<dc:creator>speedplane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Roland has all the marks of a troll so no substantive response is necessary. But I do find it amusing that among his suggested constitutional amendments, one is to make violating the constitution &quot;a capitol [sic] offense&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Roland has all the marks of a troll so no substantive response is necessary. But I do find it amusing that among his suggested constitutional amendments, one is to make violating the constitution &#8220;a capitol [sic] offense&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Roland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to add to the definition of &quot;pirate&quot; that it also includes domestic nonstate actors who commit warlike acts against foreign parties. Thus, a president to goes to war without a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal is a pirate, as are all those who follow his orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to add to the definition of &#8220;pirate&#8221; that it also includes domestic nonstate actors who commit warlike acts against foreign parties. Thus, a president to goes to war without a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal is a pirate, as are all those who follow his orders.</p>
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		<title>By: Law Schools Can Save the Planet? &#171; Tim Nuccio&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law Schools Can Save the Planet? &#171; Tim Nuccio&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Schools Can Save the&#160;Planet?  Gerald Magliocca has an excellent idea on how law schools can save the planet (Special thanks to Jonathon Adler at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Roland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to F. Cohen, my post was serious but not hopeful. As for his questions:

Telecommunications are &quot;press&quot;. Congress shall make no law. Information is not &quot;commerce&quot;. As for allocating broadcast bandwidth, that would require an amendment and I might support a carefully worded one, as I do in my Draft Amendments at http://constitution.org/reform/us/con_amend.htm

It also makes sense for the federal government to regulate aviation, but, again, it would require an amendment unless all the states ceded jurisdiction to their airspaces making airspace, say, 1000 ft. above terrain, to be a federal enclave under Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 17.

Terrorists are pirates, that is, foreign nonstate actors who commit warlike acts. The Constitution provides for them.

The Fourth Amendment confronts us with having to elaborate on what constitute private zones and their boundaries, but that was also confronted by the Founders and understood by them.

It is possible to get to know the thinking of the Founders well enough to make reasonable guesses as to what they would have thought about modern situations, but if there is any doubt, Art. V provides the remedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to F. Cohen, my post was serious but not hopeful. As for his questions:</p>
<p>Telecommunications are &#8220;press&#8221;. Congress shall make no law. Information is not &#8220;commerce&#8221;. As for allocating broadcast bandwidth, that would require an amendment and I might support a carefully worded one, as I do in my Draft Amendments at <a href="http://constitution.org/reform/us/con_amend.htm" rel="nofollow">http://constitution.org/reform/us/con_amend.htm</a></p>
<p>It also makes sense for the federal government to regulate aviation, but, again, it would require an amendment unless all the states ceded jurisdiction to their airspaces making airspace, say, 1000 ft. above terrain, to be a federal enclave under Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 17.</p>
<p>Terrorists are pirates, that is, foreign nonstate actors who commit warlike acts. The Constitution provides for them.</p>
<p>The Fourth Amendment confronts us with having to elaborate on what constitute private zones and their boundaries, but that was also confronted by the Founders and understood by them.</p>
<p>It is possible to get to know the thinking of the Founders well enough to make reasonable guesses as to what they would have thought about modern situations, but if there is any doubt, Art. V provides the remedy.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha Jon Roland&#039;s post is so over the top that it makes me hope he&#039;s just being ironic.

What were the founding father&#039;s opinions on telecommunications and the first amendment?  How about on on commercial airlines, Islamist terrorism, and the fourth amendment?  How did the founders understand those situations?

Or should we just make-up analogies on how &quot;WE THINK&quot; the founders would have thought?  That sounds a lot like we&#039;re inserting our own opinions into Constitutional interpretation.  A little too judicial activist for your tast Mr. Roland, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha Jon Roland&#8217;s post is so over the top that it makes me hope he&#8217;s just being ironic.</p>
<p>What were the founding father&#8217;s opinions on telecommunications and the first amendment?  How about on on commercial airlines, Islamist terrorism, and the fourth amendment?  How did the founders understand those situations?</p>
<p>Or should we just make-up analogies on how &#8220;WE THINK&#8221; the founders would have thought?  That sounds a lot like we&#8217;re inserting our own opinions into Constitutional interpretation.  A little too judicial activist for your tast Mr. Roland, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Solove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Solove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/10/the_law_porn_bl.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a related idea a while back&lt;/a&gt; -- law schools could create a joint blog where they would post about all the things they would include in the brochures.  This blog could be a central clearinghouse for all the information, and anybody interested in what various law schools are doing could check the blog from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had <a href="http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/10/the_law_porn_bl.html" rel="nofollow">a related idea a while back</a> &#8212; law schools could create a joint blog where they would post about all the things they would include in the brochures.  This blog could be a central clearinghouse for all the information, and anybody interested in what various law schools are doing could check the blog from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Roland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Law schools could help the planet most by turning out devoted constitutionalists who would help bring this and other countries back to strict constitutional compliance, according to the understanding of the founders. The solutions to most of our problems require some participation by government, but the effectiveness of government depends entirely on strict constitutional compliance. Otherwise, it is only special interests jockeying for power and losing the respect of the people that is needed for any governmental action to succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law schools could help the planet most by turning out devoted constitutionalists who would help bring this and other countries back to strict constitutional compliance, according to the understanding of the founders. The solutions to most of our problems require some participation by government, but the effectiveness of government depends entirely on strict constitutional compliance. Otherwise, it is only special interests jockeying for power and losing the respect of the people that is needed for any governmental action to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: How Law Schools Can Help the Planet: &#124; My Legal Spot</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Law Schools Can Help the Planet: &#124; My Legal Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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