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	<title>Comments on: Breaching a Child&#8217;s Confidentiality</title>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post (and thanks to Professor Citron, who led me to it) on a topic that has been bothering me for awhile -- minor children&#039;s rights to privacy, especially in the context of pervasive &quot;reality&quot; shows.  It is troubling indeed to be barraged with, for example, the train wreck of Jon and Kate, but it seems almost criminal to subject minor children to a spotlight for which they cannot consent.  These shows go beyond any sort of incidental exposures that are a part of life in society and seem to exploit both privacy and labor.  I would certainly welcome further discussion and education on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post (and thanks to Professor Citron, who led me to it) on a topic that has been bothering me for awhile &#8212; minor children&#8217;s rights to privacy, especially in the context of pervasive &#8220;reality&#8221; shows.  It is troubling indeed to be barraged with, for example, the train wreck of Jon and Kate, but it seems almost criminal to subject minor children to a spotlight for which they cannot consent.  These shows go beyond any sort of incidental exposures that are a part of life in society and seem to exploit both privacy and labor.  I would certainly welcome further discussion and education on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Scot B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scot B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What right of information privacy?  It doesn&#039;t exist.  The parents, for good reasons, have discretion and most of the time are glaringly indiscreet.  The only time parents normally keep quiet is when the story reflects badly on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What right of information privacy?  It doesn&#8217;t exist.  The parents, for good reasons, have discretion and most of the time are glaringly indiscreet.  The only time parents normally keep quiet is when the story reflects badly on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise an interesting point, Dave, but publishing a book about your family is not &lt;em&gt;part of&lt;/em&gt; family life as much as it is disclosure of private information obtained within the context of family life. So I might argue that interfering with disclosure does not constitute interfering with family life itself. 

Certainly I would not want a broad law that says parents can never divulge sensitive information about their child, as normal parenting requires us to do so as good parents -- whether it&#039;s to share information or concerns with our child&#039;s doctor(s) or in discussions with our child&#039;s school.  

But here we have a young man who is old enough to either consent or not consent to his details being made public for nonessential purposes and he did not want this published.  Even if he has a cause of action after the fact, I think he should have had some protection from this disclosure of his sensitive information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise an interesting point, Dave, but publishing a book about your family is not <em>part of</em> family life as much as it is disclosure of private information obtained within the context of family life. So I might argue that interfering with disclosure does not constitute interfering with family life itself. </p>
<p>Certainly I would not want a broad law that says parents can never divulge sensitive information about their child, as normal parenting requires us to do so as good parents &#8212; whether it&#8217;s to share information or concerns with our child&#8217;s doctor(s) or in discussions with our child&#8217;s school.  </p>
<p>But here we have a young man who is old enough to either consent or not consent to his details being made public for nonessential purposes and he did not want this published.  Even if he has a cause of action after the fact, I think he should have had some protection from this disclosure of his sensitive information.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason we have privileges in other contexts (lawyer/client, priest/penitent) is that we think they are essential to constructing those professions in a particular way.  We want penitents to unburden themselves to priests without fear that priests can then be forced to divulge the content of confessions; otherwise the institution of confession would falter.  

Within families, we could certainly imagine that similar protections against forced revelation might make sense.  In fact, we have them in some contexts (spousal evidentiary privilege, for example).  But here the issue is different; not whether someone should be protected from making revelations against their will, but whether they can be prevented from making revelations against someone else&#039;s will.

I&#039;ve always felt that these kind of intimate revelations are cruel because they amount to self-aggrandizement or -indulgence at the expense of loved ones&#039; privacy and dignity.  And while we tolerate involuntary embarrassment or exposure when the object is a celebrity who has sought the public spotlight, this rationale obviously does not track where, as here, the person exposed is a minor.

Whether my instincts (obviously not widely shared) about the cruelty of these intimate revelations warrant a rule of law penalizing these kinds of revelations (e.g., a right of privacy in minor children against revelations of confidences by parents) is another matter entirely.  I suppose, one could say, this is simply another kind of parental neglect: some parents stuff their kids full of junk food, others are cold and loveless, and still others expose their children&#039;s personal humiliations and struggles for the world in exchange for some literary fame.  The law typically allows parents to be awful (within some fairly broad limits) so perhaps this is another area where we do not want the state interfering with family life, however dysfunctional that life may seem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason we have privileges in other contexts (lawyer/client, priest/penitent) is that we think they are essential to constructing those professions in a particular way.  We want penitents to unburden themselves to priests without fear that priests can then be forced to divulge the content of confessions; otherwise the institution of confession would falter.  </p>
<p>Within families, we could certainly imagine that similar protections against forced revelation might make sense.  In fact, we have them in some contexts (spousal evidentiary privilege, for example).  But here the issue is different; not whether someone should be protected from making revelations against their will, but whether they can be prevented from making revelations against someone else&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that these kind of intimate revelations are cruel because they amount to self-aggrandizement or -indulgence at the expense of loved ones&#8217; privacy and dignity.  And while we tolerate involuntary embarrassment or exposure when the object is a celebrity who has sought the public spotlight, this rationale obviously does not track where, as here, the person exposed is a minor.</p>
<p>Whether my instincts (obviously not widely shared) about the cruelty of these intimate revelations warrant a rule of law penalizing these kinds of revelations (e.g., a right of privacy in minor children against revelations of confidences by parents) is another matter entirely.  I suppose, one could say, this is simply another kind of parental neglect: some parents stuff their kids full of junk food, others are cold and loveless, and still others expose their children&#8217;s personal humiliations and struggles for the world in exchange for some literary fame.  The law typically allows parents to be awful (within some fairly broad limits) so perhaps this is another area where we do not want the state interfering with family life, however dysfunctional that life may seem</p>
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		<title>By: Dissent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She may have a right to tell her story, but I do not think that her right trumps his right to information privacy.  

The mother is creating a written and durable record about her child that will follow him and perhaps interfere with his future chances of getting a job, etc. 

We spend so much time teaching our kids not to reveal too much about themselves on the internet, and yet this mother revealed personal information that may haunt him forever. 

Do we even need to talk about this in the context of any familial or maternal duty?  What about the concept of information privacy?  If a stranger revealed all of this information about the young man, would that have been acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She may have a right to tell her story, but I do not think that her right trumps his right to information privacy.  </p>
<p>The mother is creating a written and durable record about her child that will follow him and perhaps interfere with his future chances of getting a job, etc. </p>
<p>We spend so much time teaching our kids not to reveal too much about themselves on the internet, and yet this mother revealed personal information that may haunt him forever. </p>
<p>Do we even need to talk about this in the context of any familial or maternal duty?  What about the concept of information privacy?  If a stranger revealed all of this information about the young man, would that have been acceptable?</p>
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		<title>By: Scot B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scot B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think as the subtitle of the book points out, this is as much the mother&#039;s story as the child&#039;s.  She could have used a pen name to save him some embarrassment, but if he put her through an ordeal then embarrassment is the least of what he deserves.

If I see something happen, if I experience something, I need nobody&#039;s consent to write about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think as the subtitle of the book points out, this is as much the mother&#8217;s story as the child&#8217;s.  She could have used a pen name to save him some embarrassment, but if he put her through an ordeal then embarrassment is the least of what he deserves.</p>
<p>If I see something happen, if I experience something, I need nobody&#8217;s consent to write about it.</p>
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		<title>By: krs</title>
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		<dc:creator>krs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your question about what the law should have to say about this or what ethics and/or common decency should have to say?

I think David Matthews&#039;s view should be the view of the government, but that doesn&#039;t mean that it was a good idea to publish the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your question about what the law should have to say about this or what ethics and/or common decency should have to say?</p>
<p>I think David Matthews&#8217;s view should be the view of the government, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that it was a good idea to publish the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Hendricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calvin Trillin has said that it depends on the quality of what you are writing. &quot;If you have reason to believe you are another Dostoyevsky, there is no reason to be concerned about the effect what you write might have on the life of some member of your family. Your art is considerably more important than any such consideration.&quot; But everyone else needs permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvin Trillin has said that it depends on the quality of what you are writing. &#8220;If you have reason to believe you are another Dostoyevsky, there is no reason to be concerned about the effect what you write might have on the life of some member of your family. Your art is considerably more important than any such consideration.&#8221; But everyone else needs permission.</p>
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