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	<title>Comments on: Justice Scalia&#8217;s Dossier: Interesting Issues about Privacy and Ethics</title>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone just sent me this link after I found out that after I bought an apartment, a website posted my name, my picture, where I went to college, where I work, a sattelite photo of my building, my apartment number with a description of what I do.  I am a woman in my twenties and I feel incredibly uncomfortable having my picture (which was copied from my employer&#039;s website) posted next to my apartment number and a sattelite image of my building.</description>
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		<title>By: Cognoscor Ergo Sum &#124; The Addled Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cognoscor Ergo Sum &#124; The Addled Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can trip you up in real life. Reidenberg described how one of his classes at Fordham put together a dossier of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia from public records. All materials were publicly available and included his home address, pictures [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can trip you up in real life. Reidenberg described how one of his classes at Fordham put together a dossier of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia from public records. All materials were publicly available and included his home address, pictures [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Too Stupid to be a Judge &#124; etbe - Russell Coker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too Stupid to be a Judge &#124; etbe - Russell Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] assigned his class a project to discover private information on Antonin using public sources. The class produced a dossier of such information which was then offered to Antonin [2], but which was not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Honda might be spying on us - Unofficial Honda FIT Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honda might be spying on us - Unofficial Honda FIT Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Privacy &#171; What Price Liberty? Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Privacy &#171; What Price Liberty? Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more about it here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: monstre hírcsokor a digitális világból &#171; /dev/blog</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63408</link>
		<dc:creator>monstre hírcsokor a digitális világból &#171; /dev/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 11:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amerikában Scalia alkotmánybíró &#8211; hasonlóan anno a német belügyminiszterhez -  könnyelműen nyilatkozott a publikusan elérhető személyes adatait illetően. Gyorsan össze is állítottak az egyik egyetemen a diákok egy 15 oldalas aktát róla. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63258</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Justice Scalia is saying that there&#039;s no need to enact legal protections for such personal data, then his comments RE: Prof. Reidenberg&#039;s class exercise are consistent with that.

But that&#039;s not what I read in the comments of his I saw. My take is that he had said he wasn&#039;t concerned about having his personal data available on-line -- until after the professor&#039;s class looked it up (without revealing the actual data.) So, yes, I think Scalia&#039;s reaction was hypocritical.

But forget Antonin Scalia. Let&#039;s consider how his wife feels about having her private e-mail address potentially subject to torrents of spam. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a stretch to guess she was not pleased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Justice Scalia is saying that there&#8217;s no need to enact legal protections for such personal data, then his comments RE: Prof. Reidenberg&#8217;s class exercise are consistent with that.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what I read in the comments of his I saw. My take is that he had said he wasn&#8217;t concerned about having his personal data available on-line &#8212; until after the professor&#8217;s class looked it up (without revealing the actual data.) So, yes, I think Scalia&#8217;s reaction was hypocritical.</p>
<p>But forget Antonin Scalia. Let&#8217;s consider how his wife feels about having her private e-mail address potentially subject to torrents of spam. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a stretch to guess she was not pleased.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t seem like his position is contradictory.  He doesn&#039;t think it&#039;s agianst the law for someone to do that type of factfinding about a person, just in bad taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem like his position is contradictory.  He doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s agianst the law for someone to do that type of factfinding about a person, just in bad taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice Scalia &#8220;Bench-Slaps&#8221; a Fordham Professor &#171; Just Americans Making Ethical Statements Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice Scalia &#8220;Bench-Slaps&#8221; a Fordham Professor &#171; Just Americans Making Ethical Statements Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63139</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the deal is absolutely that data mining has opened up an awful lot of otherwise-hidden-or-astronomically-expensive-to-compile data.  There&#039;s been a *many* orders-of-magnitude change in how easy it is to compile such data about people, and our laws need to reflect that this is the case.

Right now they&#039;re written as if data-mining doesn&#039;t exist.  And our supreme court justices aren&#039;t aware of how prevalent this stuff is, on EVERY individual.  Even if releasing this information was &#039;in poor judgment,&#039; the point is that there are companies compiling this data for their own use, that won&#039;t release it (and therefore, I assume, he would assume they suffered no lapse in judgment).

It&#039;s a big deal, and needs to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the deal is absolutely that data mining has opened up an awful lot of otherwise-hidden-or-astronomically-expensive-to-compile data.  There&#8217;s been a *many* orders-of-magnitude change in how easy it is to compile such data about people, and our laws need to reflect that this is the case.</p>
<p>Right now they&#8217;re written as if data-mining doesn&#8217;t exist.  And our supreme court justices aren&#8217;t aware of how prevalent this stuff is, on EVERY individual.  Even if releasing this information was &#8216;in poor judgment,&#8217; the point is that there are companies compiling this data for their own use, that won&#8217;t release it (and therefore, I assume, he would assume they suffered no lapse in judgment).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big deal, and needs to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Why You Need to Google Yourself &#124; Ft. Hard Knox</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63138</link>
		<dc:creator>Why You Need to Google Yourself &#124; Ft. Hard Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daniel J. Solove, of Concurring Opinions, has been following and commenting on an interaction between a law professor and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia about internet privacy laws. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Sailor</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63124</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 02:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-&gt;&quot;I am with the school that says Prof. Reidenberg should have included himself in the research effort.&quot;

Duh, he did. The people above who said he should do that obviously haven&#039;t read the actual article and were probably just linking here thru some wrongwing website.

My suggestion? Next time do your own homework.

BTW, anytime you happen upon a website, whether intentional or not, they have your IP, your operating system, your screen dimensions, and your general location.

With that and $25 I can probably get your credit report, address(es), license plate(s) and criminal history, (including cases not yet adjudicated).

p.s. Prof. Reidenberg did do the responsible thing, he put the info behind a password protected firewall. Scalia and the people who are decrying the Prof&#039;s ethics should also realize that the exercise was conducted responsibly.

BTW, if 20 year olds can do this, imagine what a 14 year old can do.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>->&#8221;I am with the school that says Prof. Reidenberg should have included himself in the research effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>Duh, he did. The people above who said he should do that obviously haven&#8217;t read the actual article and were probably just linking here thru some wrongwing website.</p>
<p>My suggestion? Next time do your own homework.</p>
<p>BTW, anytime you happen upon a website, whether intentional or not, they have your IP, your operating system, your screen dimensions, and your general location.</p>
<p>With that and $25 I can probably get your credit report, address(es), license plate(s) and criminal history, (including cases not yet adjudicated).</p>
<p>p.s. Prof. Reidenberg did do the responsible thing, he put the info behind a password protected firewall. Scalia and the people who are decrying the Prof&#8217;s ethics should also realize that the exercise was conducted responsibly.</p>
<p>BTW, if 20 year olds can do this, imagine what a 14 year old can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Dewi Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dewi Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason Olshefsky: I believe it&#039;s illegal in most US states to stalk someone online. That is, there are specific anti-online-stalking laws. So I think saying &quot;there&#039;s nothing for a law to hook into&quot; is not terribly accurate. I think it&#039;d be a fairly easy thing to define in law. Something like: &quot;Compiling information from multiple sources on a person without their consent, with the intent or effect of causing damage to that person&quot; - I think the intent part would be required, otherwise all fans would be classed as stalkers.

IANAL, so I daresay that definition&#039;s holier than Jesus&#039; sandals, but if &quot;online stalking&quot; can be defined legally, then so can this.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason Olshefsky: I believe it&#8217;s illegal in most US states to stalk someone online. That is, there are specific anti-online-stalking laws. So I think saying &#8220;there&#8217;s nothing for a law to hook into&#8221; is not terribly accurate. I think it&#8217;d be a fairly easy thing to define in law. Something like: &#8220;Compiling information from multiple sources on a person without their consent, with the intent or effect of causing damage to that person&#8221; &#8211; I think the intent part would be required, otherwise all fans would be classed as stalkers.</p>
<p>IANAL, so I daresay that definition&#8217;s holier than Jesus&#8217; sandals, but if &#8220;online stalking&#8221; can be defined legally, then so can this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Frisco</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63121</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky Frisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scalia&#039;s response says more about him than it does about the subject discussed. He apparently doesn&#039;t like to be outed as a fool, but that doesn&#039;t keep him from acting like one. Some people are born psychopaths and some are created by giving them power over the lives of others.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalia&#8217;s response says more about him than it does about the subject discussed. He apparently doesn&#8217;t like to be outed as a fool, but that doesn&#8217;t keep him from acting like one. Some people are born psychopaths and some are created by giving them power over the lives of others.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM1968</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeM1968</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do normal people start talking like lawyers when talking about Law?

The practical issue is that due to the availability of personal info on the net, shouldn&#039;t we have some preemptive protections in place?

As with anything, it&#039;s a matter of money now and liability (money later). Anyone (read: businesses) requiring your personal info would need to spend more to keep it safeguarded and at the same time be MORE exposed to liability if their new-and-expensive data security measures failed.

So Judge Scalia should have retired with the Bush administration if he had his words thrown back at him and made to look stupid. His irritation is hypocritical and embarrassing to this citizen whose nation has placed him in its highest court. Maybe Carrot Top should be on the bench, so we can have MORE embarrassing and not-funny comedy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do normal people start talking like lawyers when talking about Law?</p>
<p>The practical issue is that due to the availability of personal info on the net, shouldn&#8217;t we have some preemptive protections in place?</p>
<p>As with anything, it&#8217;s a matter of money now and liability (money later). Anyone (read: businesses) requiring your personal info would need to spend more to keep it safeguarded and at the same time be MORE exposed to liability if their new-and-expensive data security measures failed.</p>
<p>So Judge Scalia should have retired with the Bush administration if he had his words thrown back at him and made to look stupid. His irritation is hypocritical and embarrassing to this citizen whose nation has placed him in its highest court. Maybe Carrot Top should be on the bench, so we can have MORE embarrassing and not-funny comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The students didn&#039;t even work very hard at their dossier compilation; a detective agency, even one that obeyed the letter of the law, could have done a much better job, much faster.  If this is irresponsible, what does Ole Scaly, then, think of the businesses for whom such compilations are routine?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The students didn&#8217;t even work very hard at their dossier compilation; a detective agency, even one that obeyed the letter of the law, could have done a much better job, much faster.  If this is irresponsible, what does Ole Scaly, then, think of the businesses for whom such compilations are routine?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Olshefsky</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/04/justice_scalias_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-63118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Olshefsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the important facets of law is that people agree to follow it.  Two years ago, I wrote a blog about laws being entirely voluntary ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://jayceland.com/blog/archive/2007/11/03/laws-are-entirely-voluntary/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://jayceland.com/blog/archive/2007/11/03/laws-are-entirely-voluntary/&lt;/a&gt; ).  The gist is that legislators can&#039;t just arbitrarily create laws and expect them to be followed because they are laws; the laws must follow social convention for self-identified &quot;law abiding citizens&quot;.

So the question is, &quot;is this unethical enough to make a law?&quot;  I suspect that the trouble with it is, like Scalia&#039;s reaction indicates, that if you take it apart and try to compare privacy, public data, and aggregation, there&#039;s nothing for a law to hook into -- nothing that can clearly be identified as the kernel of the illegal part.

I think the deeper issue is that Americans (including me, so I&#039;ll use &quot;we&quot;) live in a country that is both open-minded and puritanical.  On the one hand, we can freely amass wealth, own guns, and publicly agree or disagree with our leaders.  On the other hand, if it were publicly revealed that some teacher purchased bondage gear for their private (and, for the sake of argument, legal) sex life, they&#039;d be ostracized and possibly fired.

I favor expanding the open-minded world and don&#039;t expend much effort keeping my 3-sigma behaviors private (that is, the things I do that are shared by a small percentage of the population).  The cost today is that I&#039;m prevented from holding public office or working for companies who meddle in the private lives of their employees.  I&#039;d rather see the tsk-tsk-er&#039;s of that fictional teacher be told, &quot;what does that have to do with their ability to teach?&quot;

Unfortunately, because this dichotomy exists, there&#039;s a pervasive belief that those who demand privacy are doing something wrong.  Until that kind of thinking congeals one way or another, there&#039;s no way to even suggest a law about it that anyone would reasonably follow.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the important facets of law is that people agree to follow it.  Two years ago, I wrote a blog about laws being entirely voluntary ( <a href="http://jayceland.com/blog/archive/2007/11/03/laws-are-entirely-voluntary/" rel="nofollow">http://jayceland.com/blog/archive/2007/11/03/laws-are-entirely-voluntary/</a> ).  The gist is that legislators can&#8217;t just arbitrarily create laws and expect them to be followed because they are laws; the laws must follow social convention for self-identified &#8220;law abiding citizens&#8221;.</p>
<p>So the question is, &#8220;is this unethical enough to make a law?&#8221;  I suspect that the trouble with it is, like Scalia&#8217;s reaction indicates, that if you take it apart and try to compare privacy, public data, and aggregation, there&#8217;s nothing for a law to hook into &#8212; nothing that can clearly be identified as the kernel of the illegal part.</p>
<p>I think the deeper issue is that Americans (including me, so I&#8217;ll use &#8220;we&#8221;) live in a country that is both open-minded and puritanical.  On the one hand, we can freely amass wealth, own guns, and publicly agree or disagree with our leaders.  On the other hand, if it were publicly revealed that some teacher purchased bondage gear for their private (and, for the sake of argument, legal) sex life, they&#8217;d be ostracized and possibly fired.</p>
<p>I favor expanding the open-minded world and don&#8217;t expend much effort keeping my 3-sigma behaviors private (that is, the things I do that are shared by a small percentage of the population).  The cost today is that I&#8217;m prevented from holding public office or working for companies who meddle in the private lives of their employees.  I&#8217;d rather see the tsk-tsk-er&#8217;s of that fictional teacher be told, &#8220;what does that have to do with their ability to teach?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, because this dichotomy exists, there&#8217;s a pervasive belief that those who demand privacy are doing something wrong.  Until that kind of thinking congeals one way or another, there&#8217;s no way to even suggest a law about it that anyone would reasonably follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen K.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, Scalia&#039;s reasoning makes perfect sense and rings true to our common sense and sense of decency and civilized behavior: Just because you can do something doesn&#039;t mean you should.&lt;/i&gt;

Why do we have laws against murder? Surely decent and civilized people, corporations, and government entities wouldn&#039;t indulge in such scurrilous behavior, without needing it enshrined in the law.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, Scalia&#8217;s reasoning makes perfect sense and rings true to our common sense and sense of decency and civilized behavior: Just because you can do something doesn&#8217;t mean you should.</i></p>
<p>Why do we have laws against murder? Surely decent and civilized people, corporations, and government entities wouldn&#8217;t indulge in such scurrilous behavior, without needing it enshrined in the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 05:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Scalia doesn&#039;t have a problem with his data being able to be found (and no concern for the underlying privacy issues) then he should have no problem with it being made completely public. After all, it&#039;s really just a matter of degree, right Mr Scalia?

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		<title>By: The Wise Bard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a comment I posted previously in response to a parallel discussion on an ABA site. I largely agree with Prof. Solove&#039;s comments, and find his questions a useful stimulus to further thought.

I do think the element of hypocrisy makes the lesson more effective, and more memorable. I would note that Professor Reidenberg earlier assigned a similar class exercise on himself--a point neither Scalia nor several of the commentators above seem to recognize. I think that a similar exercise on an unconsenting third party who favors more robust privacy protections (whether legislatively or by constitutional or statutory interpretation) would be pedagogically less apt and ethically more troubling. It is not unknown for Scalia to target litigants and attorneys who have invited, or brought, trouble on themselves through their own words or actions.

My original comment follows:

This is far from the first time that governmental leaders have shown how out of touch they are with the realities of everyday life.

Prof. Reidenberg has effectively demonstrated, in a way that will be especially memorable for his class, the legal community reading this report, and, I hope, the broader public—not to speak of Justice Scalia and his judicial and legislative colleagues—just how easy it is to collect, and potentially to disseminate, such “private” information. While Prof. Reidenberg and his class showed appropriate restraint (to the best of our knowledge) on further use of the data they collected, there are many others capable of collecting such information for nefarious rather than instructive purposes.

(BTW, I speak as a law professor who occasionally taught privacy law, and some of whose students provided me, as an end-of-term gift, with a review of material on me they collected on the web. Damn that speeding ticket 15 years ago—sure glad I paid it on time.)

Personally, I think it is a significant public service to bring home to those insensitive to the need for improved protections of privacy and in a position to affect further developments of the law a more visceral sense of the nature of the intrusions (indeed, personal violations) now so easy to accomplish, and indeed, so common in our society. Justice Scalia has a fine sense of humor when the jokes are on others—apparently he has a harder time laughing at himself—and learning the appropriate lessons. Including that line about the corruptions of power…to which I might add, excessive insulation from the common travails of life.

Bravo to Prof. Reidenberg.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a comment I posted previously in response to a parallel discussion on an ABA site. I largely agree with Prof. Solove&#8217;s comments, and find his questions a useful stimulus to further thought.</p>
<p>I do think the element of hypocrisy makes the lesson more effective, and more memorable. I would note that Professor Reidenberg earlier assigned a similar class exercise on himself&#8211;a point neither Scalia nor several of the commentators above seem to recognize. I think that a similar exercise on an unconsenting third party who favors more robust privacy protections (whether legislatively or by constitutional or statutory interpretation) would be pedagogically less apt and ethically more troubling. It is not unknown for Scalia to target litigants and attorneys who have invited, or brought, trouble on themselves through their own words or actions.</p>
<p>My original comment follows:</p>
<p>This is far from the first time that governmental leaders have shown how out of touch they are with the realities of everyday life.</p>
<p>Prof. Reidenberg has effectively demonstrated, in a way that will be especially memorable for his class, the legal community reading this report, and, I hope, the broader public—not to speak of Justice Scalia and his judicial and legislative colleagues—just how easy it is to collect, and potentially to disseminate, such “private” information. While Prof. Reidenberg and his class showed appropriate restraint (to the best of our knowledge) on further use of the data they collected, there are many others capable of collecting such information for nefarious rather than instructive purposes.</p>
<p>(BTW, I speak as a law professor who occasionally taught privacy law, and some of whose students provided me, as an end-of-term gift, with a review of material on me they collected on the web. Damn that speeding ticket 15 years ago—sure glad I paid it on time.)</p>
<p>Personally, I think it is a significant public service to bring home to those insensitive to the need for improved protections of privacy and in a position to affect further developments of the law a more visceral sense of the nature of the intrusions (indeed, personal violations) now so easy to accomplish, and indeed, so common in our society. Justice Scalia has a fine sense of humor when the jokes are on others—apparently he has a harder time laughing at himself—and learning the appropriate lessons. Including that line about the corruptions of power…to which I might add, excessive insulation from the common travails of life.</p>
<p>Bravo to Prof. Reidenberg.</p>
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