Should We Have Professional Juries?

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  1. dave hoffman says:

    Dan,

    How do you reconcile your view of jury service’s accuracy with the tremendous amount of empirical data that real-world juries agree with professionals (judges) almost all of the time, are less erratic than individual judges, and that jury service significantly increases levels of civic trust and engagement?

  2. Colin Miller says:

    Here is an interesting article which touches upon this issue to a certain extent:

    Bound and Gagged: The Peculiar Predicament of Professional Juries

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1147084

  3. Dave,

    There are many cases where the outcome is basic common sense, and for these cases, judges and juries are likely to agree. But I found while clerking for a federal district court several more complex cases where the juries didn’t understand the law at all. In some areas, such as fact-finding, juries and judges are equally ignorant of the empirical studies about witness demeanor, truth-telling, etc.

    Regarding the fact that juries are less erratic than individual judges, I presume that this is likely the product of the fact that there are 12 jurors versus just 1 judge. Therefore, one specific person’s ideology isn’t likely to have as much of an influence on a jury than with one judge. It would be interesting if there’s a study that compared a jury composed of 12 people randomly selected with a jury of 12 judges.

    Regarding civic trust and engagement, that’s a benefit for sure, but should it be at the cost of having a legal system where the decisionmakers lack expertise? If having lay people fly airplanes or do brain surgery or so on led to greater levels of civil trust and engagement, should we do it? There are other ways to generate more civic trust and engagement. I also have a post I’m working on about how jurors aren’t treated particularly well — it is amazing that they feel so good about their experiences, because I think that in many instances, they’re treated terribly.

  4. Chaya says:

    Why not just abandon juries altogether and rely on judges, or alternately panels of judges, who are already trained in deciding matters of law? Or adopt the French model and abandon them for all but the most egregious criminal cases? I can’t say I really see any particular advantage to juries especially in civil trials.

    I didn’t know that often jurors aren’t allowed to take notes. What possible advantage does that have?? That seems completely unproductive to me.

  5. Bruce Boyden says:

    The prohibitions on juror notetaking, and the way instructions are given, make no sense. I’ve long thought that the explanation is that we just don’t care deeply if the jury gets the facts or the law right. The jury is an oracular black box that legitimizes the outcome by making it mysterious, not by making it reliable. It seems in many opinions I’ve read that the existence of the jury is almost a relief for the judicial system — it allows the repeat players (judges) to avoid having to make some very hard calls (not that they don’t already make a lot of hard calls).

    Dave, does your “Whose Eyes” article cite the literature you’re talking about? Re: the judge-jury correlation, I’m a little skeptical of that; I imagine a lot of cases are within some zone of uncertainty as to the correct result, and the judge may simply be agreeing that the decision was within that zone of reasonable outcomes. This does not seem inconsistent with my suspicion that, in a lot of cases, the judge has no strong view at all on who should win, and doesn’t even want to form one. Are the judges being asked their opinion beforehand somehow? Or are we just going by the lack of successful JNOV motions?

  6. Howard Wasserman says:

    I think the issue of note taking varies by court and even by judge; my federal district judge allowed jurors to take notes and even provided them with notepads.

    I believe that the prohibition against notetaking comes from the same (not necessarily realistic) place as the prohibition on sending transcripts into the jury room–we want the jurors to focus on “the evidence” and neither their notes nor the transcript is “the evidence” and, if allowed in the jury room, would distract them from what they are supposed to be paying attention to.

    I think I agree with Chaya–if we are going to abandon the jury, let’s just move all the way to judicial fact-finding. Wouldn’t a professional juror eventually morph into a judge anyway, equally knowledgeable about the law as the judge. Plus, judicial fact-finding gives us openness, because the judge must make explicit factual findings and legal conclusions. Which may just prove Bruce’s point–the jury is acceptable because of the mystery and we do not want openness.

  7. Brett Bellmore says:

    Well, of course they can’t take notes: What use would mushrooms have for notes?

    The jury system in the US is seriously distorted by the efforts of all the other players in the court to deprive the jury of any real power.

    Paying jurors a decent wage is a good idea. Having a class of professional jurors a bad one. It would completely defeat the notion of a jury of one’s peers, transforming it into a jury of government employees. The judge and prosecutor are already on the government payroll, often the defense attorney. Add the jury, and what chance would the defendant have?

  8. David Bernstein says:

    Amen. BTW, the U.S. is the only country in the world to routinely use juries for civil cases.

  9. dave hoffman says:

    The note-taking issue varies from state-to-state, and from Court-to-Court, as howard writes. More generally, check out Vidmar and Hans’ new edition of the American Juries: The Verdict for lots of data about jury performance.

    Dan writes: “But I found while clerking for a federal district court several more complex cases where the juries didn’t understand the law at all. In some areas, such as fact-finding, juries and judges are equally ignorant of the empirical studies about witness demeanor, truth-telling, etc.” There’s lots here, but the bottom line question, based on Dan’s anecdotal experience, is whether expert juries (however composed, however selected) would be better than lay juries or judges at fact-finding problems in “complex” cases. I tend to doubt it, except in very specialized patent/damages problems. Given the many benefits of juries (very good credibility finders, strong legitimacy effects, etc.) I wonder why you would be so quick to throw out the entire system for a bare handful of outlier cases.

    W/r/t the outliers, I wonder what hypotheses you have as to why the parties, knowing that the jury may misunderstand the law, opt into the civil system by avoiding arbitration or settlement. That is, many complex commercial disputes are already adjudicated by expert arbitrators. Doesn’t that alleviate the concern?

    Also, it is unclear why you think that professional adjudicators (i.e., non-judge experts) would be any better at avoiding cognitive biases, anchoring, etc. Check out Rachlinski’s work on judges for a somewhat darker view of the ability of even those expert fact finders to be unbiased!

    As to David’s point about ours being a unique system, that’s of course correct. So what? There aren’t terribly many common law countries in the first instance! Isn’t citing to foreign law frowned on these days?

  10. peter says:

    Dave — I agree with much of what you say, but I hope your comment about “citing to foreign law” was meant at least half in jest.

    First, at least when we are talking about the common law, there is something downright peculiar about the idea that our concepts of tort, contract, etc. derive from the same bases as those in England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc. — but that American exceptionalism has so thoroughly changed them that on its face, it’s evident that we just shouldn’t pay any mind to any of those courts.

    Second, if even if one accepted that rather odd view, it would hardly follow that in consequence, these other jurisdictions’ wisdom about the competence of juries in the civil context — an issue that does not turn on doctrine but practical experience — is also irrelevant. Or is the view that (a) the doctrine is easier to understand in the US, and that’s why civil juries make sense here rather than in jurisdictions where it got all complicated, like England and Australia; or (b) that US citizens are more inclined to listen the judge, and digest and apply what the judge says, in those other jurisdictions. So again, I hope that was meant as a joke.

  11. Brett Bellmore says:

    I don’t think anybody EVER thought that citizen juries were particularly good triers of fact or law. You look at the historical cases cited as the basis of why we have trial by jury in this country, one thing leaps out at you: They’re all cases of jury nullification, where the jury refused, sometimes at terrible cost, to convict, despite the law and the facts being against the defendant. I mean, let’s face it: William Penn was GUILTY.

    The citizen jury is there to be the conscience of the community. It’s there to nullify if need be. This notion immensely offends the legal professionals, who apparently think the law itself is an expression of that conscience, and really, really do not like the thought of themselves as agents of oppression.

    And so, they’ve done all they could to deprive the jury of this roll. Which is the only roll they actually are fit to perform.

    But that’s not the fault of the jury.

  12. Orin Kerr says:

    Dan,

    I assume you would agree to be a professional juror?

  13. Diane Levin says:

    Dan, the professional jury already exists. It’s called arbitration.

  14. Dave writes: “Given the many benefits of juries (very good credibility finders, strong legitimacy effects, etc.) I wonder why you would be so quick to throw out the entire system for a bare handful of outlier cases.”

    Since when are juries good “credibility finders”? My understanding is that people are generally not good at assessing the credibility of witnesses, especially eye-witnesses. This is true for both judges and jurors, but a professionally-trained adjudicator might be much better at assessing credibility.

    It strikes me as rather hard to believe that juries can apply the law well. We ask our students to do much of the same thing in law school exams, and there are many who struggle with this task. Law is difficult and complicated! Believing that a jury can possibly understand and apply the law based on hearing it for the first time in one brief lecture strikes me as more preposterous than believing in Bigfoot. Some cases are resolvable by common sense, but as we know, the law and common sense often don’t correspond. In cases where the law is counter-intuitive, I can’t believe that juries really decide based on the law.

    So you must believe either one of the following:

    1. Juries have an astounding capacity to really understand and apply the law (legal training is so overrated!); or

    2. The law doesn’t matter a whole lot in many cases.

  15. By the way, when I refer to professional juries, I am referring to a jury that has training in the law as well as training in fact-finding. Professional juries should be trained in how to evaluate witness credibility, about the reliability of eye-witness testimony (which is highly unreliable), as well as about other empirical studies regarding how best to assess witnesses and facts.

    Diane — it is true that arbitration is a kind of professional jury, but arbitrators often don’t have the kind of training I envision above.

    It is interesting that currently so few cases wind up going to trial. Most criminal cases plea out and most civil cases settle. I’ve often heard attorneys talk about a jury trial as a “crapshoot” or a “gamble.” So our system works as follows: It encourages people to settle/plea because the alternative is basically very-expensive and fraught with a significant degree of randomness/arbitrariness.

  16. Brett Bellmore says:

    So, what’s the next item on the agenda, after abolishing the citizen jury? Mandating that you have a law degree to hold public office?

    My personal opinion is that, on the day we get “professional” jurors, Claire Wolfe’s “awkward stage” will have ended.

  17. Chris says:

    A law professor screws up a pretty basic thing as far as juries go, and your response is that non-professional juries are idiots and that people like law professors should be full-time jurors. Attorneys talk about juries as crapshoots and gambles all the time – particularly when they are engaging in CYA. Yet I also hear a lot of attorneys say that more or less juries usually get it right (the real crapshoot tends to be damages). Above all else, your notion of juries is incompatible with our system of justice. You are advocating for the elimination of jury trials in favor of bench trials – only it isn’t one professional judge making the calls on fact, it is several. Amazingly, even judges (and law professors sitting on juries) aren’t always right and they bring their own biases and problems into the courtroom (how many appellate lawyers think their appeal at the 9th Circuit is a crapshoot?). The jury is meant to reflect the common sense judgment of the community – I don’t see how your proposal protects that.

  18. Monte says:

    My fear with a proffesional jury would be that over time the jurors would loose thier independence from the system. If your a juror for a small county, and the professional jury pool isn’t that large, you will quickly come to know the prosecutor, the judge, and in some cases the police officer witnesses. I don’t think you could let it get to the point the same juror had the defendant more than once. But when the juror has already relied on a witnesses testimony once, and agreed with the same prosecutor once, are they really going to be able to freshly evaluate the new case? Certainly the training could cover it, but will that really be enough? When the judge and prosecutor start to run together as part of the system, the only hope left is that the jurors will be an effective check.

    The other problem is who exactly do you fill the professional juror pool with. Will it be an upper middle class group? A true cross-section of society? (But if they are getting paid $60,000+ a year, for how long does a juror represent thier ‘old’ economic class? Everyone could support a profesional jury system because they imagine it would be full of intelligent thoughtful people just like themselves, but who would really be serving in the system?

  19. Diell says:

    To me a professional jury would be made of people who wanted to be jurors by choice (of occupation) and would take two years of course work in a junior college, studying a little evidence and law, but the primary emphasis would be on eradicating bias and prejudice in the courtroom. On the juries I’ve served on the main weakness of the amateur jurors is that they bring all their biases and prejudices into the courtroom, much as we all saw the jurors do in the OJ Simpson trial and the trial of the four white cops accused of beating Rodney King before that.

    In response to the previous reply, professional jurors could travel so that the same jurors would not be covering the same territory all the time. It is more likely a juror in our current system would be representing the same neighborhood and economic class than a professional who travels from county to county and court to court.

  20. Matt says:

    I’m sitting in the Jury Assembly Room right now, and I can tell you that the jury duty process is almost as bureaucratically inefficient as the DMV.

    Every person in here wants to be somewhere else, and no one gives a flying fox about their case if they are actually assigned to one. I have sat here since 7am, and luckily I brought some homework to do in the meantime, but some people have been twiddling their thumbs for over 6 hours now.

    We need to give jury duty to professional jurors or at least assign attorneys registered through the BAR that have some wherewithal in the courtroom. If I am assigned to a case, I am saying guilty before I even hear what it is about because I want to leave ASAP!

  21. Maury says:

    Get rid of this antiquated system. Either have professional jurors or let the judge decide. And quit wasting my time forcing me to go do jury duty service. Those notices go in the trash anyways, so save the paper. This is no different than junk mail.

  22. Will says:

    In civil cases, jurors (including prospective jurors forced to sit through the selection process) should be paid as high an hourly rate as the highest paid attorney on the case. The pay should be provided by the plaintiff because it is the plaintiff who is stealing people’s time trying to win the lotto. The first hour of jury selection will very expensive … maybe expensive enough to stop all these stupid freaking lawsuits.

  23. Sarah says:

    Not a single one of your complaints makes a case for professional juries. All they do is make a case for reforming the existing system.

  24. The US legal system is jammed, the participants slammed, the principles crammed, the outcomes bam bam bammed. Professor Solove is correct, a professional jury pool, well-trained, although probably not lawyers by education, and certified, should be at least part of a solution. If by creating such a pool we can process most of the uncomplicated cases and allow judges and lawyers to focus their considerable talents on complex cases tipping toward substantial legal outcomes, well, we’ve gone a long way from here. Time for change. Now.