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		<title>By: stewie roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-2#comment-44753</link>
		<dc:creator>stewie roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a response to mark vallens claims:

http://www.supertouchart.com/2009/02/02/editorial-the-medium-is-the-message-shepard-fairey-and-the-art-of-appropriation/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a response to mark vallens claims:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.supertouchart.com/2009/02/02/editorial-the-medium-is-the-message-shepard-fairey-and-the-art-of-appropriation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.supertouchart.com/2009/02/02/editorial-the-medium-is-the-message-shepard-fairey-and-the-art-of-appropriation/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-2#comment-44752</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Fairey hadn&#039;t &quot;painted&quot; the poster and created a new work, would Garcia&#039;s photo have even been memorable or perhaps worthy of copyright?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Fairey hadn&#8217;t &#8220;painted&#8221; the poster and created a new work, would Garcia&#8217;s photo have even been memorable or perhaps worthy of copyright?</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Sutter</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-2#comment-44751</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J. Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, how can you be so sure that they are &quot;violations&quot; without more context? What if RioRico&#039;s works are satirical? Or what if they are fair use? (See 17 USC 107: &quot;the fair use of a copyrighted work ... is &lt;i&gt;not an infringement&lt;/i&gt; of copyright&quot; (emphasis added), i.e. fair use isn&#039;t merely something that mitigates liability for infringement, it is constitutive of the nature of the act.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, how can you be so sure that they are &#8220;violations&#8221; without more context? What if RioRico&#8217;s works are satirical? Or what if they are fair use? (See 17 USC 107: &#8220;the fair use of a copyrighted work &#8230; is <i>not an infringement</i> of copyright&#8221; (emphasis added), i.e. fair use isn&#8217;t merely something that mitigates liability for infringement, it is constitutive of the nature of the act.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-2#comment-44750</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is pretty much yes on all counts; those are all copyright violations (assuming the originals were not so old that their copyrights had lapsed).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is pretty much yes on all counts; those are all copyright violations (assuming the originals were not so old that their copyrights had lapsed).</p>
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		<title>By: RioRico</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-2#comment-44749</link>
		<dc:creator>RioRico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Plagiarize!

Let no-one else&#039;s work EVADE your eyes!

Remember why the good lord MADE your eyes!

And plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize!

(But be certain always to call it, RESEARCH!)&quot;

--Tom Lehrer

I seem to recall various artists saying that ALL art is plagiarism.  Certainly much visual art at least refers to other visual art.  If I publish a photo of stacks of Campbells soup cans, am I plagiarizing Campbells, or Warhol, or anyone?  How about if the objects in my photo only RESEMBLE such cans, or Warhol&#039;s renditions thereof?

IMHO, if a disputed work is not a fairly EXACT copy of an existing work, the IP arguments become absurd. Some time back, a friend hand-made a good needlepoint replica of a famous BYTE magazine cover of a viking ship with a floppy-disk sail.  Did she copy? Yes. Did she unlawfully plagiarize? I think not.  (If, as in Fairey&#039;s case, someone else photographed her rendition and sold posters and t-shirts, is she responsible?)  Nobody would mistake her needlework with the printed magazine cover; nobody will mistake Fairey&#039;s painting for the Garcia photo.

Suppose I paint a sailing ship onto a printed nautical chart, or an Obama portrait onto a newspaper page.  Have I illegally sampled the chart or newspaper?  Suppose I generate an ASCII art image of grinning Harry Truman holding up the newspaper with the DEWEY WINS headline.  Did that original photo infringe on the newspaper&#039;s copyright?  Who does my image infringe or damage?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Plagiarize!</p>
<p>Let no-one else&#8217;s work EVADE your eyes!</p>
<p>Remember why the good lord MADE your eyes!</p>
<p>And plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize!</p>
<p>(But be certain always to call it, RESEARCH!)&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Tom Lehrer</p>
<p>I seem to recall various artists saying that ALL art is plagiarism.  Certainly much visual art at least refers to other visual art.  If I publish a photo of stacks of Campbells soup cans, am I plagiarizing Campbells, or Warhol, or anyone?  How about if the objects in my photo only RESEMBLE such cans, or Warhol&#8217;s renditions thereof?</p>
<p>IMHO, if a disputed work is not a fairly EXACT copy of an existing work, the IP arguments become absurd. Some time back, a friend hand-made a good needlepoint replica of a famous BYTE magazine cover of a viking ship with a floppy-disk sail.  Did she copy? Yes. Did she unlawfully plagiarize? I think not.  (If, as in Fairey&#8217;s case, someone else photographed her rendition and sold posters and t-shirts, is she responsible?)  Nobody would mistake her needlework with the printed magazine cover; nobody will mistake Fairey&#8217;s painting for the Garcia photo.</p>
<p>Suppose I paint a sailing ship onto a printed nautical chart, or an Obama portrait onto a newspaper page.  Have I illegally sampled the chart or newspaper?  Suppose I generate an ASCII art image of grinning Harry Truman holding up the newspaper with the DEWEY WINS headline.  Did that original photo infringe on the newspaper&#8217;s copyright?  Who does my image infringe or damage?</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment thread.

It&#039;s funny that the fact that AP may not necessarily own the photo only came out later.  They should have probably buttoned up that issue first.

To the folks that say the picture is run of the mill...obviously not, why else would SF have chosen it.

Tough issue - this is an example of why being a lawyer is fun!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment thread.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that the fact that AP may not necessarily own the photo only came out later.  They should have probably buttoned up that issue first.</p>
<p>To the folks that say the picture is run of the mill&#8230;obviously not, why else would SF have chosen it.</p>
<p>Tough issue &#8211; this is an example of why being a lawyer is fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Boyden</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-2#comment-44747</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Boyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, Garcia (a) believes he still retains the copyright in the image, not AP, and (b) is &quot;concerned&quot; about some uses but seems not to have reached a conclusion that Fairey&#039;s use is necessarily improper.

http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2009/02/10-questions-for-mannie-garcia.html

I&#039;m not sure where &quot;temporary hire&quot; would fit in under the work-for-hire doctrine, so without more facts it&#039;s hard to say who actually has the copyright in the photo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, Garcia (a) believes he still retains the copyright in the image, not AP, and (b) is &#8220;concerned&#8221; about some uses but seems not to have reached a conclusion that Fairey&#8217;s use is necessarily improper.</p>
<p><a href="http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2009/02/10-questions-for-mannie-garcia.html" rel="nofollow">http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2009/02/10-questions-for-mannie-garcia.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where &#8220;temporary hire&#8221; would fit in under the work-for-hire doctrine, so without more facts it&#8217;s hard to say who actually has the copyright in the photo.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Sutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J. Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Joe, for bringing this back to the composition. As Dan mentioned in the original post, the composition of the photo is the possibly original element. The composition of the poster (sc., the artwork, though no doubt also true of Dan) is entirely different from that of the photo.

One way in which the participants in this thread have been talking past each other that while most people (and Dan&#039;s original question) are focused on infringement,  Alan repeatedly refers to &quot;misappropriation&quot;. I&#039;m not a scholar on this matter, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1336002&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this 2005 paper&lt;/a&gt; by Ryan Holte suggests that state claims of misappropriation as to copyrightable subject matter have been pre-empted, although &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=733603&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this 2002 paper&lt;/a&gt; by Daniel Gervais seems to suggest, @ 954n.27, that the point is less clear.

Even assuming that a misappropriation claim were available here (a state law claim, BTW), David Barnes has some pertinent comments about IP misappropriation in &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1010172&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this 2007 paper&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;The simple view of misappropriation theory rests on the premise that persons should not be able to appropriate the benefits of another’s investment without similar investment of their own. ... [But] [r]evisiting the Supreme Court’s opinion [in &lt;i&gt;INS v. AP&lt;/i&gt;, 248 U.S. 215 (1918)], however, reveals a more complex misappropriation doctrine. ... The ensuing injunction did not prevent all free riding. It prevented only free riding that &#039;interfere[d] with the normal operation of the complainant’s business precisely at the point where the profit is to be reaped, in order to divert a material portion of the profit from those who have earned it to those who have not.&#039;&quot; (Barnes @4-5.)

Barnes summarizes this as follows: &quot;There are two views of misappropriation. The simple view prohibits one actor from free-riding on the activity of the other. The nuanced view prohibits one actor from free-riding on the activity of the other if doing so [would] so interfere with the incentive to engage in creative activity that society would be [&lt;i&gt;sic&lt;/i&gt;] suffer. Many courts’ rulings in Internet initial interest confusion cases reflect the simple view. Intellectual property theory and trademark law generally reflect the more nuanced view.&quot; (Id. @5-6.)

As long as the &quot;investment&quot; involved in creating the poster was similar to that involved in taking the photo, there would seem not to be misappropriation even under the &quot;simple&quot; view. AP&#039;s likellihood of meeting Barnes&#039;s &quot;nuanced&quot; view is even less likely. BTW &lt;i&gt;INS v. AP&lt;/i&gt; related to news, not to a photo, though it&#039;s a nice historical echo that AP was also the plaintiff in that case.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Joe, for bringing this back to the composition. As Dan mentioned in the original post, the composition of the photo is the possibly original element. The composition of the poster (sc., the artwork, though no doubt also true of Dan) is entirely different from that of the photo.</p>
<p>One way in which the participants in this thread have been talking past each other that while most people (and Dan&#8217;s original question) are focused on infringement,  Alan repeatedly refers to &#8220;misappropriation&#8221;. I&#8217;m not a scholar on this matter, but <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1336002" rel="nofollow">this 2005 paper</a> by Ryan Holte suggests that state claims of misappropriation as to copyrightable subject matter have been pre-empted, although <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=733603" rel="nofollow">this 2002 paper</a> by Daniel Gervais seems to suggest, @ 954n.27, that the point is less clear.</p>
<p>Even assuming that a misappropriation claim were available here (a state law claim, BTW), David Barnes has some pertinent comments about IP misappropriation in <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1010172" rel="nofollow">this 2007 paper</a>: &#8220;The simple view of misappropriation theory rests on the premise that persons should not be able to appropriate the benefits of another’s investment without similar investment of their own. &#8230; [But] [r]evisiting the Supreme Court’s opinion [in <i>INS v. AP</i>, 248 U.S. 215 (1918)], however, reveals a more complex misappropriation doctrine. &#8230; The ensuing injunction did not prevent all free riding. It prevented only free riding that &#8216;interfere[d] with the normal operation of the complainant’s business precisely at the point where the profit is to be reaped, in order to divert a material portion of the profit from those who have earned it to those who have not.&#8217;&#8221; (Barnes @4-5.)</p>
<p>Barnes summarizes this as follows: &#8220;There are two views of misappropriation. The simple view prohibits one actor from free-riding on the activity of the other. The nuanced view prohibits one actor from free-riding on the activity of the other if doing so [would] so interfere with the incentive to engage in creative activity that society would be [<i>sic</i>] suffer. Many courts’ rulings in Internet initial interest confusion cases reflect the simple view. Intellectual property theory and trademark law generally reflect the more nuanced view.&#8221; (Id. @5-6.)</p>
<p>As long as the &#8220;investment&#8221; involved in creating the poster was similar to that involved in taking the photo, there would seem not to be misappropriation even under the &#8220;simple&#8221; view. AP&#8217;s likellihood of meeting Barnes&#8217;s &#8220;nuanced&#8221; view is even less likely. BTW <i>INS v. AP</i> related to news, not to a photo, though it&#8217;s a nice historical echo that AP was also the plaintiff in that case.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 03:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fair use.

Also, Solove is right to impugn AP&#039;s motives here.  Realize that AP has had a pretty GOP (and anti-Obama) slant.  They may be trying not only to get $$, but also to tarnish this poster and maybe even reduce the spread of the iconic image.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fair use.</p>
<p>Also, Solove is right to impugn AP&#8217;s motives here.  Realize that AP has had a pretty GOP (and anti-Obama) slant.  They may be trying not only to get $$, but also to tarnish this poster and maybe even reduce the spread of the iconic image.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Liz: The fact that the AP was assigned his copyright is a distinction without a difference.  If the photos he took had no copyright, or if the copyright had no value because everyone could use them for free, then he would not get paid and would be out of a job.  We could then just go to Flickr for all our photos, because there would be no professional photographers anymore, no AP, no newspapers, no magazines.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Liz: The fact that the AP was assigned his copyright is a distinction without a difference.  If the photos he took had no copyright, or if the copyright had no value because everyone could use them for free, then he would not get paid and would be out of a job.  We could then just go to Flickr for all our photos, because there would be no professional photographers anymore, no AP, no newspapers, no magazines.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan - Garcia didn&#039;t own it - AP did. Garcia&#039;s not even suing Fairey.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan &#8211; Garcia didn&#8217;t own it &#8211; AP did. Garcia&#8217;s not even suing Fairey.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrific comment thread. One thing people seem to be assuming is that this particular photo - the one taken by Garcia - contains copyrightable expression. Does it? I think not.

&quot;Originality,&quot; the Supreme Court has held, requires both that the expression for which protection is sought (a) not have been copied from someone else (let&#039;s assume that&#039;s satisfied here) and (b) have the necessary minimum level of creativity.

I think Garcia&#039;s utterly banal, pedestrian photo flunks the second part of the test. To the extent it is good (and it is a nicely composed snapshot), it is utterly conventional. It&#039;s the snapshot equivalent of the white pages - and they&#039;re not copyrightable (because they&#039;re not &quot;original&quot;) either.

(Having said all that, I concede that most copyright law folks don&#039;t agree with me about where the creativity threshold is for copyrightability. Most folks think it&#039;s quite a bit lower than I think it should be.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrific comment thread. One thing people seem to be assuming is that this particular photo &#8211; the one taken by Garcia &#8211; contains copyrightable expression. Does it? I think not.</p>
<p>&#8220;Originality,&#8221; the Supreme Court has held, requires both that the expression for which protection is sought (a) not have been copied from someone else (let&#8217;s assume that&#8217;s satisfied here) and (b) have the necessary minimum level of creativity.</p>
<p>I think Garcia&#8217;s utterly banal, pedestrian photo flunks the second part of the test. To the extent it is good (and it is a nicely composed snapshot), it is utterly conventional. It&#8217;s the snapshot equivalent of the white pages &#8211; and they&#8217;re not copyrightable (because they&#8217;re not &#8220;original&#8221;) either.</p>
<p>(Having said all that, I concede that most copyright law folks don&#8217;t agree with me about where the creativity threshold is for copyrightability. Most folks think it&#8217;s quite a bit lower than I think it should be.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would completely agree with you IF ... Fairey&#039;s use lessened the income that Garcia would derive from the photo&lt;/i&gt;

It decreased the income Garcia was entitled to received FROM FAIREY.  Fairey paid him nothing to use it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would completely agree with you IF &#8230; Fairey&#8217;s use lessened the income that Garcia would derive from the photo</i></p>
<p>It decreased the income Garcia was entitled to received FROM FAIREY.  Fairey paid him nothing to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the comments, but one thing to note here is that we don&#039;t have to worry about the photog getting the copyright in all images that have that Obama expression.  He can only press against a copyright suit against someone who has copied *his image.&quot;  Proof of opyright infringement is based on a sliding scale of access and similarity. IF there&#039;s striking similarity, you don&#039;t need to do much to prove access; if there&#039;s less similarity, you do need to prove access.  Copyright sounds in tort, even though it is a form of intellectual property.

Here, Fairey confessed to having accessed the photo, so that question does not arise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments, but one thing to note here is that we don&#8217;t have to worry about the photog getting the copyright in all images that have that Obama expression.  He can only press against a copyright suit against someone who has copied *his image.&#8221;  Proof of opyright infringement is based on a sliding scale of access and similarity. IF there&#8217;s striking similarity, you don&#8217;t need to do much to prove access; if there&#8217;s less similarity, you do need to prove access.  Copyright sounds in tort, even though it is a form of intellectual property.</p>
<p>Here, Fairey confessed to having accessed the photo, so that question does not arise.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in response to Alan&#039;s comments at 3:46 - i would completely agree with you IF Garcia&#039;s photo was a creative expression that he had planned to sell as a work of art OR if Fairey&#039;s use lessened the income that Garcia would derive from the photo BUT:

1. It&#039;s the AP is after Fairey, not Garcia. Which means that as a hired contractor by AP to cover the Darfur conference, Garcia (even as the photographer) does not own the rights and could not resell it to another buyer. For example, movie posters that feature a film still - the cameraman is not getting rich off of the merchandise - the studio is.

2. Garcia was unlikely to stand to make more money from the photo after it had been published by AP. Therefore Fairey did not &#039;rob&#039; him.

3. In fact, who knew Manny Garcia&#039;s name until the photo became the creative point of departure that then became an icon? No offense Manny, but hopefully this publicity will get you more future dough from AP or other peeps.

My vote&#039;s on Fair Use. Its a shame that the only people who are making money off this ridiculous case are the lawyers. Even if AP wins, Garcia&#039;s not going to see a dime.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in response to Alan&#8217;s comments at 3:46 &#8211; i would completely agree with you IF Garcia&#8217;s photo was a creative expression that he had planned to sell as a work of art OR if Fairey&#8217;s use lessened the income that Garcia would derive from the photo BUT:</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s the AP is after Fairey, not Garcia. Which means that as a hired contractor by AP to cover the Darfur conference, Garcia (even as the photographer) does not own the rights and could not resell it to another buyer. For example, movie posters that feature a film still &#8211; the cameraman is not getting rich off of the merchandise &#8211; the studio is.</p>
<p>2. Garcia was unlikely to stand to make more money from the photo after it had been published by AP. Therefore Fairey did not &#8216;rob&#8217; him.</p>
<p>3. In fact, who knew Manny Garcia&#8217;s name until the photo became the creative point of departure that then became an icon? No offense Manny, but hopefully this publicity will get you more future dough from AP or other peeps.</p>
<p>My vote&#8217;s on Fair Use. Its a shame that the only people who are making money off this ridiculous case are the lawyers. Even if AP wins, Garcia&#8217;s not going to see a dime.</p>
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		<title>By: sophia</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/02/is_the_obama_po.html/comment-page-1#comment-44738</link>
		<dc:creator>sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the original photo have George Clooney in it?

http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/sceneonroad/2009/01/found_again_the_poster_source.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the original photo have George Clooney in it?</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/sceneonroad/2009/01/found_again_the_poster_source.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/sceneonroad/2009/01/found_again_the_poster_source.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-c.html#2

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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t had a chance to read all the comments, but there&#039;s a larger context here. Others have mentioned Warhol - but artists have been using photographs as source material since the invention of photography in the mid 19th century. Painters were some of the first to embrace the new technology. A large percentage of all realist art painted in the last century and a half is based, all or part, on photographs. There&#039;s even a stylistic movement named for the practice: Photorealism - yes, most of the Photorealist painters used photos as visual sources, and they weren&#039;t using exclusively their own photos, far from it. Just yesterday, I was having an (unrelated) discussion with a colleague about Degas&#039; ubiquitous use of photographs for his paintings and other work. It&#039;s absolutely commonplace for painters to use photos in this way. Fairey hardly reinvented the wheel. So why is he suddenly excoriated for a practice that is so commonplace, and, by the way, long predates the copyright laws in question too. There&#039;s something weird about this whole fracas - how have painters in the past been judged (or not) for using photographs as source material for other artworks?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t had a chance to read all the comments, but there&#8217;s a larger context here. Others have mentioned Warhol &#8211; but artists have been using photographs as source material since the invention of photography in the mid 19th century. Painters were some of the first to embrace the new technology. A large percentage of all realist art painted in the last century and a half is based, all or part, on photographs. There&#8217;s even a stylistic movement named for the practice: Photorealism &#8211; yes, most of the Photorealist painters used photos as visual sources, and they weren&#8217;t using exclusively their own photos, far from it. Just yesterday, I was having an (unrelated) discussion with a colleague about Degas&#8217; ubiquitous use of photographs for his paintings and other work. It&#8217;s absolutely commonplace for painters to use photos in this way. Fairey hardly reinvented the wheel. So why is he suddenly excoriated for a practice that is so commonplace, and, by the way, long predates the copyright laws in question too. There&#8217;s something weird about this whole fracas &#8211; how have painters in the past been judged (or not) for using photographs as source material for other artworks?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The photographer earns his livelihood from attempting to capture public figures in compelling poses.  He clearly accomplished that with this photograph.  The photographer sells his photos to others who might want to use them for any purpose, including the purpose of making a poster, whether stylized or not.  Fairley took the photo and used it for that purpose.  It clearly had value for that purpose, otherwise Fairley would not have used it.  For Fairley to misappropriate a photographer&#039;s work for his own use, without permission or compensation, is clearly not &quot;fair use&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photographer earns his livelihood from attempting to capture public figures in compelling poses.  He clearly accomplished that with this photograph.  The photographer sells his photos to others who might want to use them for any purpose, including the purpose of making a poster, whether stylized or not.  Fairley took the photo and used it for that purpose.  It clearly had value for that purpose, otherwise Fairley would not have used it.  For Fairley to misappropriate a photographer&#8217;s work for his own use, without permission or compensation, is clearly not &#8220;fair use&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fair use. 100%.

1. the purpose and character of the use -

the photo documents a public figure at an event; the poster illustrates that same public figure with exaggerated colors and graphic elements that dramatize the figure and elevate his image

2. the nature of the copyrighted work -

the copyrighted work is a photograph that anyone in the vicinity of Obama in the last two years could have taken; it was taken in public, of a public figure, at a public event, from a common perspective

3. the amount and substantiality of the portion taken - the background is different, the tie is different, the colors are different, the style is different, the medium is different, the angle of the head is different; the only things that are the same are the subject (Obama), and the perspective from which he is being viewed

4. the effect of the use upon the potential market - if someone wants a stylized illustration of Obama, they would not buy the photo (or any photo) instead; the illustration is unique and iconographic, the photograph is not

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fair use. 100%.</p>
<p>1. the purpose and character of the use -</p>
<p>the photo documents a public figure at an event; the poster illustrates that same public figure with exaggerated colors and graphic elements that dramatize the figure and elevate his image</p>
<p>2. the nature of the copyrighted work -</p>
<p>the copyrighted work is a photograph that anyone in the vicinity of Obama in the last two years could have taken; it was taken in public, of a public figure, at a public event, from a common perspective</p>
<p>3. the amount and substantiality of the portion taken &#8211; the background is different, the tie is different, the colors are different, the style is different, the medium is different, the angle of the head is different; the only things that are the same are the subject (Obama), and the perspective from which he is being viewed</p>
<p>4. the effect of the use upon the potential market &#8211; if someone wants a stylized illustration of Obama, they would not buy the photo (or any photo) instead; the illustration is unique and iconographic, the photograph is not</p>
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