Home | About | RSS Feed | Contact and Publicity Guidelines | Comment Policy the Law, the Universe, and Everything 

advertise-here4


Slip Opinions


New Supreme Court website (DJS)

A digital-age bird man for Alcatraz?  Tweeting oneself to jail. (DJS)

NYT: How privacy vanishes online (DJS)

Orin Kerr critiques the 11th Circuit on email and the Fourth Amendment (DJS)

Identification by your germs (DJS)

Interview of Professor William Stuntz (DJS)

Professor Eric Goldman on the proposed federal Anti-SLAPP Bill (DJS)

Important advice for new profs: DO NOT make jokes (online or otherwise) about killing your students. (kw)

FTC Report: ID theft is down but overall fraud is up (DJS)

Balkin on reconciliation vs. filibuster (DJS)

Our Podcast

Subscribe to Law Talk

law-rev-contents2.jpg


  • Posts by Author

  • Categories

  • Archives


  • Recent Comments

    • Gerard Magliocca on Deem and Pass

    • PublishingProf on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • Robert Scott Lawrence on Thoughts about choosing law school, part 4

    • anon on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • anon on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • Lawrence Cunningham on Test Executive Pay by Contract Law, not Delaware Corporate Law

    • relatively new on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • Mark S. Devenow on My Bad!: The Supreme Court’s Assault on Judicial Elections

    • AF on Deem and Pass

    • another anon on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • PublishingProf on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • NotAProf on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • NotAProf on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • Aspirant on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

    • ParanoidProf on Spring 2010: Is the Window Open? (re-re-bumped)

  •  

    Site Meter

Tribal Court Jurisdiction (II)

posted by Max Minzner

Yesterday I argued that Plains Commerce Bank has a number of flaws. Today I want to discuss the fundamental uniqueness of tribal court jurisdiction in the American system. (As a caveat, the following analysis is intentionally brief and leaves out much of the complexity of the field to keep it relatively generally accessible.)


Several aspects of tribal jurisdiction are unusual and make it difficult to compare the limits on tribal courts to those on non-tribal courts. For instance, does Plains Commerce Bank impose a subject matter jurisdiction or a personal jurisdiction limit on the tribal court? The answer, of course, is that it is both. The case depends on the identity of the land owner and the nature of the regulated activity.

More fundamentally, the Supreme Court has assumed that tribal courts are different from all other courts. The general American rule is that all courts have concurrent jurisdiction if they have personal jurisdiction. On facts equivalent to those in Plains Commerce Bank, you could imagine a New York bank created a series of long-term contractual relationships with a California company relating to land located in California. If the California company wanted to bring tort and contract claims arising from that relationship, there’s no real doubt that the bank could be sued in either New York or California after Burger King. If courts are worried about the conflict between the interests of the two states, they resolve the conflicts through a choice of law regime. As Plains Commerce Bank shows, though, with some exceptions, there is generally an exclusive jurisdiction model when it comes to tribes and the interest question is resolved at the jurisdictional stage. If the Supreme Court thinks the tribe does not have a sufficient interest, it is not forced to apply a different law – it lacks jurisdiction completely.

Why does the Court do this? The answer lies in a second oddity of tribal jurisdiction. Even as the Supreme Court assumes tribes are different from all other courts, it assumes that all tribal courts are identical. The Court has consistently expressed a deep (and in my view, unfair) suspicion of tribal courts. The Chief Justice repeats this suspicion in Plains Commerce Bank when he notes that “Indian courts differ from traditional American courts in a number of significant respects,” and that “non-members have no say in the law and regulations that govern tribal territory.” (The Court also states “the Bill of Rights does not apply to Indian tribes.” Even though the Constitutional Bill of Rights does not apply in tribal court, a largely equivalent statutory set of right applies through the Indian Civil Rights Act.). For this proposition, Plains Commerce Bank relies on Justice Souter’s concurrence in Nevada v. Hicks, where he said:

Tribal courts also differ from other American courts (and often from one another) in their structure, in the substantive law they apply, and in the independence of their judges. Although some modern tribal courts mirror American courts and are guided by written codes, rules, procedures, and guidelines, tribal law is still frequently unwritten, being based instead on the values, mores, and norms of a tribe and expressed in its customs, traditions, and practices, and is often handed down orally or by example from one generation to another. The resulting law applicable in tribal courts is a complex mix of tribal codes and federal, state, and traditional law which would be unusually difficult for an outsider to sort out.

(citations and quotations omitted). At its core, this is a due process fear. The Court believes that non-members should not be subjected to tribal jurisdiction because all tribal courts will be unfair. Of course, if that is the issue, we should see this as a factual question. If the concern is tribal court fairness, we should start treating tribes differently and ask whether the applicable tribal court system in a given case is in fact “difficult for an outsider to sort out.” If it is, there is an argument that a limited jurisdiction model makes some sense. Tomorrow I’ll argue, though, that in the vast majority of cases, this fear is unfounded and tribal court systems are fair and comprehensible. I will also discuss what Plains Commerce Bank would have looked like if we treated tribes differently.


 July 2, 2008 at 9:00 am   Posted in: Civil Procedure   Print This Post Print This Post

Responses (1)

  1. jim ragan - July 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    that is an interesting analysis. do you think there is an argument that a tribal court would have jurisdiction over a product liability suit where the accident occurred on the reservation to a tribal member? or would the inherent unfair nature of tribal courts make it unfair to the non member manufacturer?

Leave a Reply

*
To prove you're a person (not a spam script), type the security word shown in the picture. Click on the picture to hear an audio file of the word.
Click to hear an audio file of the anti-spam word


  • « Previous post
  • Next post »

Authors

Daniel J. Solove
Kaimipono Wenger
Dave Hoffman
Nate Oman
Frank Pasquale
Deven Desai
Danielle Citron
Lawrence Cunningham
Sarah Waldeck
Jaya Ramji-Nogales
Solangel Maldonado
Gerard Magliocca

Guests

Robert Ahdieh
Lisa Fairfax
Michelle Harner
Sherrilyn Ifill
Angela Onwuachi-Willing
Tuan Samahon
Alfred Yen










Previous Guests

Michael Abramowicz
Michelle Adams
Robert Ahdieh
Michelle Anderson
Laura Appleman
Ann Bartow
Adam Benforado
Francesca Bignami
Jeremy Blumenthal
Kathleen Boozang
Bruce Boyden
Donald Braman
Al Brophy
Neil H. Buchanan
Bill Burke-White
Scott Burris
Paul Butler
Naomi Cahn
Anupam Chander
Miriam Cherry
Jack Chin
Jennifer Collins
Thomas Crocker
Allison Danner
Brannon Denning
Deven Desai
Mike Dimino
Mark Edwards
David Fagundes
Christine Haight Farley
Kim Ferzan
Dan Filler
Michael Froomkin
Amanda Frost
Timothy Glynn
Rachel Godsil
Eric Goldman
David Gray
Craig Green
Tristin Green
Jeffrey Harrison
Erica Hashimoto
Carissa Hessick
Laura Heymann
Robert Hillman
Christine Hurt
Darian Ibrahim
John Ip
Kevin Johnson
Kristin Johnson
Dan Kahan
Jeffrey Kahn
Brian Kalt
Sam Kamin
Michael Kang
Chimène Keitner
Orin Kerr
Nancy Kim
Heidi Kitrosser
Adam Kolber
Russell Korobkin
Alex Kreit
Anita S. Krishnakumar
Susan Kuo
Greg Lastowka
Sarah Lawsky
Erik Lillquist
Jeff Lipshaw
Jonathan Lipson
Jacqueline Lipton
Joseph Liu
Michael Madison
Solangel Maldonado
Jason Mazzone
Linda McClain
William McGeveran
Salil Mehra
Carrie Menkel-Meadow
Max Minzner
Viva Moffat
Scott Moss
Eric Muller
Jaya Ramji-Nogales
Helen Norton
Elizabeth Nowicki
Paul Ohm
Michael O'Shea
David Opderback
Kristen Osenga
Rafael Pardo
Marcy Peek
Eduardo Peñalver
Robert Percival
David Post
Shruti Rana
Geoffrey Rapp
Neil Richards
Lori Ringhand
Alice Ristroph
Susan Scafidi
Paul Secunda
Jonathan Siegel
Jessica Silbey
Peter Smith
Adam Steinman
Charles Sullivan
Rick Swedloff
Steph Tai
Andrew Taslitz
Robert Tsai
Jenia Turner
Steve Vladeck
Spencer Weber Waller
Howard Wasserman
Melissa Waters
Frank Wu
Alfred Yen
Corey Yung
David Zaring
Timothy Zick
Michael Zimmer
Jonathan Zittrain

Ownership

Concurring Opinions is a
general-interest legal blog
operated by Concurring
Opinions LLC, a Pennsylvania
Limited Liability Corporation.

Blogroll

Above the Law
ACS Blog
Althouse
Balkinization
Becker-Posner Blog
BlackProf
BoingBoing
Chicago Law Faculty Blog
Conglomerate
CrimLaw
Crime & Federalism
CrimProf Blog
Crooked Timber
Discourse.net
Dorf on Law
Election Law
Emergent Chaos
The Faculty Lounge
Feminist Law Profs
43(B)log
Freakonomics Blog
Freedom to Tinker
Google Blogoscoped
How Appealing
Ideoblog
Info/Law
Instapundit.com
Juris Novus
Jurisdynamics
Law and Humanities Blog
Law and Letters
Law Librarian Blog
Legal Profession Blog
Legal Theory Blog
Legal Times Blog
Leiter Reports
Brian Leiter's Law School Reports
Lessig Blog
Madisonian Theory
Media Law Blog
Mirror of Justice
The Moderate Voice
National Security Advisors
Opinio Juris
Point of Law
PrawfsBlawg
ProfessorBainbridge.com
Property Prof Blog
Red Tape Chronicles
The Right Coast
Schneier on Security
SCOTUSBlog
Security Dilemmas
Sentencing Law and Policy
Simple Justice
Sivacracy.net
The Situationist
Susan Crawford
TalkLeft
Talking Points Memo
TaxProf Blog
Tech & Marketing Law
Truth on the Market
Volokh Conspiracy
WorkPlace Prof Blog
WSJ Law Blog
Wonkette
The Yin Blog


© Concurring Opinions

Powered by WordPress