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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul--

Sorry to have relied on Ryan&#039;s notes! Thanks for the clarification. I&#039;m not sure if you realized it, but a CFAA violation was cited in &lt;i&gt;Hart v. Comcast&lt;/i&gt; filed last November, which incidentally Ryan Singel &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/11/comcast-sued-ov.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reported on&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, I just caught up on the news that Comcast is working with BitTorrent (the company) to make it (the protocol) easier to network-manage. I am curious whether Hart still sees the need to carry through with the suit.

Jon

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul&#8211;</p>
<p>Sorry to have relied on Ryan&#8217;s notes! Thanks for the clarification. I&#8217;m not sure if you realized it, but a CFAA violation was cited in <i>Hart v. Comcast</i> filed last November, which incidentally Ryan Singel <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/11/comcast-sued-ov.html" rel="nofollow">reported on</a>.</p>
<p>Also, I just caught up on the news that Comcast is working with BitTorrent (the company) to make it (the protocol) easier to network-manage. I am curious whether Hart still sees the need to carry through with the suit.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Thanks for the good questions.  Andy Oram over at the O&#039;Reilly blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/the-wiretapping-accusation-aga.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;raised similar questions&lt;/a&gt;, and I posted a comment to that post raising some of the points I&#039;m going raise now.

I agree that Comcast has much less to worry about than AT&amp;T and Charter, and I said so during my talk.

But you&#039;re missing something in your analysis.  Comcast does not need to worry about the Wiretap Act (for the reasons you mention), but it should worry about the Pen Register, Trap &amp; Trace Act.  In particular, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003121----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; 18 U.S.C. § 3121(a)&lt;/a&gt; forbids the use of a pen register which is defined in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003127----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;§ 3127(3)&lt;/a&gt; as &quot;a device or process which records or decodes dialing, routing, addressing, or signaling information transmitted by an instrument or facility from which a wire or electronic communication is transmitted . . . .&quot;

But there are three reasons why Comcast need not worry much about this law: First, the Pen Register Act provides somewhat broader provider exceptions than the Wiretap Act.  (For example, the Pen Register Act allows monitoring for &quot;the protection of users of that service from abuse of service or unlawful use of service.&quot;)

Second, the Pen Register Act does not provide a civil cause of action.  Third, violations of the Pen Register Act are misdemeanors.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003121----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;§ 3121(d).&lt;/a&gt;

But Comcast isn&#039;t completely in the clear.  Not only do they monitor, they also send forged RST packets to throttle Bittorrent communications.  Two years ago, in an unrelated context, I argued in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1036#comment-95432&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a comment thread&lt;/a&gt; on Ed Felten&#039;s blog that this might violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;18 U.S.C. § 1030&lt;/a&gt;.  There are many reasons to think that Comcast isn&#039;t violating the CFAA, but I wonder if Comcast&#039;s lawyers even took the law into consideration.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Thanks for the good questions.  Andy Oram over at the O&#8217;Reilly blog <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/the-wiretapping-accusation-aga.html" rel="nofollow">raised similar questions</a>, and I posted a comment to that post raising some of the points I&#8217;m going raise now.</p>
<p>I agree that Comcast has much less to worry about than AT&#038;T and Charter, and I said so during my talk.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re missing something in your analysis.  Comcast does not need to worry about the Wiretap Act (for the reasons you mention), but it should worry about the Pen Register, Trap &#038; Trace Act.  In particular, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003121----000-.html" rel="nofollow"> 18 U.S.C. § 3121(a)</a> forbids the use of a pen register which is defined in <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003127----000-.html" rel="nofollow">§ 3127(3)</a> as &#8220;a device or process which records or decodes dialing, routing, addressing, or signaling information transmitted by an instrument or facility from which a wire or electronic communication is transmitted . . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>But there are three reasons why Comcast need not worry much about this law: First, the Pen Register Act provides somewhat broader provider exceptions than the Wiretap Act.  (For example, the Pen Register Act allows monitoring for &#8220;the protection of users of that service from abuse of service or unlawful use of service.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Second, the Pen Register Act does not provide a civil cause of action.  Third, violations of the Pen Register Act are misdemeanors.  <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00003121----000-.html" rel="nofollow">§ 3121(d).</a></p>
<p>But Comcast isn&#8217;t completely in the clear.  Not only do they monitor, they also send forged RST packets to throttle Bittorrent communications.  Two years ago, in an unrelated context, I argued in <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1036#comment-95432" rel="nofollow">a comment thread</a> on Ed Felten&#8217;s blog that this might violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html" rel="nofollow">18 U.S.C. § 1030</a>.  There are many reasons to think that Comcast isn&#8217;t violating the CFAA, but I wonder if Comcast&#8217;s lawyers even took the law into consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 10:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank-- thanks.

I was in fact in attendance for Paul&#039;s panel, but I didn&#039;t digest it until now. (I *was* on my laptop during the session, but not looking at the right pages...)

So here&#039;s my challenge for Paul: Good point on NebuAd and the copyright-violation filtering. But I think your case against throttling is the weakest.

I assume you are deriving a tort out of § 2510 (2)(a)(i): &quot;a provider of wire communication service to the public shall not utilize service observing or random monitoring except for mechanical or service quality control checks.&quot;

So what is meant by &quot;service observing and random monitoring&quot;? Clearly Chapter 119 indicates that the crime is to intercept &lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt; -- &quot;any information concerning the substance, purport, or meaning of that communication.&quot; (In other words, as Samir argues, what is &quot;knowable&quot;). But Comcast has only been inspecting TCP packets to determine if they are in fact BitTorrent, it is presently of no concern to BitTorrent what is being communicated *in* the packet.

This seems to me to be equivalent to the postal service weighing a package to ensure that there is enough postage on it. Though there&#039;s an interesting twist with Media Mail, which is intended for shipping books or computer media: According to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2005/02/03/News/Media.Mail.Searches.Raise.Privacy.Concerns-850782.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2005 article&lt;/a&gt; in the USC &lt;i&gt;Daily Trojan&lt;/i&gt;, if the USPS sees a Media Mail that is heavier than paper or plastic ought to weigh, &lt;i&gt;they will open it to check&lt;/i&gt; (!)

Not to excuse the USPS, but it appears that Comcast checking BitTorrent packets is nowhere near as intrusive as that. And thus I&#039;m hard-pressed to see such activity as violating either the letter or the spirit of the law.

Jon

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank&#8211; thanks.</p>
<p>I was in fact in attendance for Paul&#8217;s panel, but I didn&#8217;t digest it until now. (I *was* on my laptop during the session, but not looking at the right pages&#8230;)</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my challenge for Paul: Good point on NebuAd and the copyright-violation filtering. But I think your case against throttling is the weakest.</p>
<p>I assume you are deriving a tort out of § 2510 (2)(a)(i): &#8220;a provider of wire communication service to the public shall not utilize service observing or random monitoring except for mechanical or service quality control checks.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what is meant by &#8220;service observing and random monitoring&#8221;? Clearly Chapter 119 indicates that the crime is to intercept <i>content</i> &#8212; &#8220;any information concerning the substance, purport, or meaning of that communication.&#8221; (In other words, as Samir argues, what is &#8220;knowable&#8221;). But Comcast has only been inspecting TCP packets to determine if they are in fact BitTorrent, it is presently of no concern to BitTorrent what is being communicated *in* the packet.</p>
<p>This seems to me to be equivalent to the postal service weighing a package to ensure that there is enough postage on it. Though there&#8217;s an interesting twist with Media Mail, which is intended for shipping books or computer media: According to a <a href="http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2005/02/03/News/Media.Mail.Searches.Raise.Privacy.Concerns-850782.shtml" rel="nofollow">2005 article</a> in the USC <i>Daily Trojan</i>, if the USPS sees a Media Mail that is heavier than paper or plastic ought to weigh, <i>they will open it to check</i> (!)</p>
<p>Not to excuse the USPS, but it appears that Comcast checking BitTorrent packets is nowhere near as intrusive as that. And thus I&#8217;m hard-pressed to see such activity as violating either the letter or the spirit of the law.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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