the Law, the Universe, and Everything 

Search

Concurring Opinions is a
general-interest legal blog
operated by Concurring
Opinions LLC, a Pennsylvania
Limited Liability Corporation.

lr_jkr9_12_08supremecourt.jpg

ad-logo5.jpg

Our Podcast

Subscribe to Law Talk

Law-Rev-Forum-2.jpg

law-rev-contents2.jpg

Law-Prof-Blog-Census.jpg

Categories

Accounting
Administrative Announcements
Administrative Law
Admiralty
Advertising
Agricultural Law
Anonymity
Antitrust
Architecture
Articles and Books
Bankruptcy
Behavioral Law and Economics
Bioethics
Blogging
Book Reviews
Capital Punishment
Civil Procedure
Civil Rights
Conferences
Constitutional Law
Consumer Protection Law
Contract Law & Beyond
Corporate Finance
Corporate Law
Criminal Law
Criminal Procedure
Culture
Current Events
Cyberlaw
DRM
Economic Analysis of Law
Education
Empirical Analysis of Law
Employment Law
Environmental Law
Estates and Trusts
Evidence Law
Family Law
Feminism and Gender
First Amendment
Food
Google & Search Engines
Health Law
History of Law
Humor
Immigration
Insurance Law
Intellectual Property
International & Comparative Law
Interviews
Jurisprudence
Law and Humanities
Law and Inequality
Law and Psychology
Law Practice
Law Professor Blogger Census
Law Rev (Boston College)
Law Rev (Boston University)
Law Rev (California)
Law Rev (Chicago)
Law Rev (Columbia)
Law Rev (Cornell)
Law Rev (Duke)
Law Rev (Emory)
Law Rev (Fordham)
Law Rev (Georgetown)
Law Rev (GW)
Law Rev (Harvard)
Law Rev (Illinois)
Law Rev (Indiana)
Law Rev (Iowa)
Law Rev (Michigan)
Law Rev (Minnesota)
Law Rev (Northwestern)
Law Rev (Notre Dame)
Law Rev (NYU)
Law Rev (Penn)
Law Rev (S Cal)
Law Rev (Stanford)
Law Rev (Texas)
Law Rev (UCLA)
Law Rev (Vanderbilt)
Law Rev (Virginia)
Law Rev (Wash U)
Law Rev (Wm & Mary)
Law Rev (Yale)
Law Rev Contents
Law Rev Forum
Law School
Law School (Hiring & Laterals)
Law School (Law Reviews)
Law School (Rankings)
Law School (Scholarship)
Law School (Teaching)
Law Student Discussions
Law Talk
Legal Ethics
Legal Theory
Media Law
Movies & Television
Philosophy of Social Science
Politics
Privacy
Privacy (Consumer Privacy)
Privacy (Electronic Surveillance)
Privacy (Gossip & Shaming)
Privacy (ID Theft)
Privacy (Law Enforcement)
Privacy (Medical)
Privacy (National Security)
Property Law
Race
Religion
Reparations
Science Fiction
Second Amendment
Securities
Social Network Websites
Sociology of Law
Supreme Court
Tax
Teaching
Technology
Tort Law
Web 2.0
Weird
Wiki
Wills, Trusts, and Estates

Archives

October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

 

« Microsoft Gives Up on Book Search | Main | Productivity: Scheduling the Week »

May 27, 2008

Does the World Need More "Traditional Legal Analysis" in Law Review Notes?

posted by Dave Hoffman

obamaxlarge1.jpgPhil Telfeyan, the Harvard Law Review's Avenger, Moot Court Winner, and milliner's dream, has a new note out in the HLR: "Never Again Should a People Starve in World of Plenty".

Paul Horowitz, noting that Telfeyan also wrote a previous heterodox case comment [see update #2 below], says the controversy about odd writings from the HLR is worth "a two-paragraph blog post and not more. And I am not knocking the observation that injustice is bad; heaven forfend." But David Bernstein, writing on Volokh, seems to disagree. He writes: "If there is any traditional legal analysis in this Note, it's not obvious (though I admit that I didn't read the entire thing)." It's implied that this absence is a bad thing. [Update: Glenn Reynolds jumps on the bandwagon.]

I have read the whole thing (it was a breezy 22 pages). Apart from an embarrassing error on the first page, I can't say that I agree that David. On page three (@ 1888) Telfeyan talks about Rawls' theory of justice; later on, he even cites a case (at note 15, Griffin v. Illinois). But in the bigger picture, the argument sounds pretty ordinary to me: legal rules and, in particular, our professional choices as lawyers, should be infused by equality principles. The driving force is Peter Unger's work about poverty and our responsibility to alleviate it. It wasn't a particularly revolutionary piece of writing, but what do people really expect from a student note?

More broadly, as the title of this post suggests, I question whether it is desirable that every law student note play the same doctrinal tune. Law reviews used to be more heterogeneous: case comments, advice on incorporating a business, and high-theory mingled together. Only in the last few decades did we arrive at the modern form of blockbuster article of doctrinal theory (or, today, statistically motivated theory) and, at the back of the book, a series of mini-mes: notes, rarely cited, that followed the same conventions and engaged in the same basic project as the academics' articles. As I've suggested before, I think that the modern student note, chock-full of "traditional legal analysis," is basically a waste of students' and readers' time. This is particular true at schools where student editors will almost certainly never become academics - that is, almost everywhere. Instead, reviews should consider significant changes in their current practices - moving toward collaborative treatises, or, perhaps more radically, legal writing that non-lawyers would want to read. (As a bonus, it could lead more folks to read professors' boring, but traditional, work in the front of the book.) Shucks, maybe law reviews should follow the example of the Green Bag, and re-write the bible from a lawyer's perspective.

[Update: Someone claiming to be Telfeyan is blogging about the note. Another entrepreneurial idea for law reviews - blogs about student notes!]

[Update #2: I've been informed by a reliable source that (1) Telfeyan didn't write the earlier Phillip Morris case comment; and (2) there is a dispute as to whether he wrote the posts on ATL under the name "Harvard Law Avenger". More if I hear more.]

Posted by Dave Hoffman at May 27, 2008 11:11 AM

Trackback Pings

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.concurringopinions.com/movabletype/mt-tb.cgi/3710.

Comments

Prof Hoffman: It is NOT true that Phil wrote the case comment you cite. This I know for certain, as I know the author of that comment.

Also, be careful: it is not altogether clear that Phil is the Harvard Law Avenger.

Posted by: anon at May 27, 2008 12:05 PM


Really? I was only relaying Lat's reporting on that point. Care to elaborate? Who/what is the HLR Avenger anyway?

Posted by: david hoffman at May 27, 2008 12:09 PM


Lat didn't say that Telfeyan wrote the Philip Morris case comment, only the Unger note. At least one person on the ATL thread said the case comment was by Alec Karakatsanis, but I don't know if that's confirmed.

Posted by: Chris at May 27, 2008 02:14 PM


Professor Hoffman,

I've sent you more information by email.

Posted by: anon at May 27, 2008 02:26 PM


Dave, when was the last time a law review like the HLR led with a "blockbuster article of doctrinal theory"? These days, practically the only doctrinal analysis in a law review is in the student notes. So I would disagree that notes are a waste of students and readers' time. If you are looking for concentrated analysis of a narrow and obscure question (which is most of real-life legal research), you are far more likely to find it in a student note. The Telfeyan note seems much more like a badly written law review article, one that is useless to practitioners.

Posted by: TJ at May 27, 2008 03:52 PM


Actually, more like a badly written philosophy article.

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2008 04:28 PM


I'm a year behind Phil on the Review, and am not on the scene (at least some of the 3Ls are in Cambridge getting ready for graduation next week), but my understanding through the grapevine is that Phil (with some assistance) IS the author of both the ATL posts and the blog, but he's neither officially confirming or denying it, in case the posts blow up in his face; if they do, someone on his behalf can with "plausible deniability" say it was someone else, and he's a victim of a prank, etc. To me, that sounds weird, and I question the ethics, but that's what I hear.

I have Phil's blog on a feed, and there was a huge new post an hour or two ago, so it sounds like Phil and whoever's helping him are putting some effort into it.

Posted by: Harvard 2L at May 27, 2008 05:05 PM


I'm a year behind Phil on the Review, and am not on the scene (at least some of the 3Ls are in Cambridge getting ready for graduation next week), but my understanding through the grapevine is that Phil (with some assistance) IS the author of both the ATL posts and the blog, but he's neither officially confirming or denying it, in case the posts blow up in his face; if they do, someone on his behalf can with "plausible deniability" say it was someone else, and he's a victim of a prank, etc.

If this is true, perhaps a new slogan is needed: "CYA at Every Moment"

Posted by: Orin Kerr at May 27, 2008 11:20 PM


You know, I will agree and disagree simultaneously, on this point.

First, I'm not allergic to something appearing in a law review that is not strictly law, but more philosophical, or whatever.

Second, regardless, this piece stinks out loud. Its the usual pompous, overwrought bludgeoning everyone with the guilt the author thinks they shoud feel and the smug satisfaction of the author because he believes he is above it all. And the embarrassing mistake at the beginning, failing to recognize that the statue was about the potato famine, not poverty, and the "aristocrat" was actually in rags, is emblematic of the whole piece--smugness combined with cluelessness. It's not original, not well written, preachy and smug. I couldn't stand to read more than 3 paragraphs of it.

He wants to tell us how to live our lives, but you get the feeling that he has never lived in the world himself.

Posted by: Aaron at May 28, 2008 08:59 AM


You mean there are two HLR editors who write pieces like this?

When I was there, there was another HLR editor who remarked to me -- in a moment of frustration with the politics of the place as well as the endless bloviating at meetings -- that when he put HLR on his resume, it was like saying that he went to clown school.

Posted by: Stuart Buck at May 28, 2008 09:33 AM


While I'm not a fan of personal attacks, here are some tidbits from ATL which reveal just how logically consistent Mr. Telfeyan's Note is. One wonders if his hero might be Eliot Spitzer...

Post 1
----------------
PHIL'S PARENTS "UPSIZE" THEIR HOUSE --KILLING 1,480 BABIES!

Phil's thesis is that everyone who spends $200 on something other than a contribution to Unicef, to save a baby's life, is killing a baby. Honest -- read the Note!

Well, check out his parents' moral choices. According to publicly available property records, his parents "upsized" their California home, selling the 2,100-square-foot home Phil grew up in for $599,000 in 2006, and buying a 2,900-square-foot home for $895,000 -- spending an extra $296,000 on housing (not counting the financing costs) during a period of time in their lives when most people "downsize." Each $200 they spent on housing instead of the Unicef donation Phil suggests in his Note could have saved a baby -- so by Phil's moral calculus, they killed 1,480 babies in Third World countries by upsizing their house.

Wonder whether Phil feels guilty when he visits.

Check out the info yourself:

OLD HOUSE:
4971 Francis Way, Carmichael, CA 95608, bought by Edward H. Telfeyan and Jerilyn Paik on 8/29/1999, and sold on 7/14/2006 for $599,000. Info, including picture of house (nice pool!) on Zillow, here:
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetail...? zprop=26085014

NEW HOUSE:
5521 Clarendon Way, Carmichael, CA 95608, bought Edward H. Telfeyan and Jerilyn Paik on 7/17/2006, for $895,000. Info, including picture of house (nice pool!) on Zillow, here:
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetail...? zprop=26097137

Hey, Phil, according to Zillow your parents' home costs $219 per square foot -- that's one baby dead for each square foot. Something to think about during your next visit, I guess.

Abridged Post 2 (the rest was too cruel)
-------------------
...
And, I noticed that to buy the house, they took out a loan from Bank of America for $716,000 at 6.62% interest, so that they're something like $70,000 "under water" on the house and are paying something like $4,000 a month interest on a house that's worth vastly less than when they bought it.
...
1. Assuming your parents read your Note, don't they now wish they could be spending that $4,000 a month saving babies, rather than pouring it down an interest rat hole?
...
Source: http://abovethelaw.com/2008/05/m...#comment- 601918

Posted by: ATL Reader at May 29, 2008 04:47 PM


The blog allegedly written by Telfeyan is now open only to people "invited" to view it.

Posted by: DA2B at May 30, 2008 12:52 AM


Post a comment




Remember Me?

(you may use HTML tags for style)

Authors

Daniel J. Solove

Website
Understanding Privacy

Kaimipono Wenger

Website
SSRN Page

Dave Hoffman

Website
SSRN Page

Nate Oman

Website
SSRN Page

Frank Pasquale

Website
SSRN Page

Deven Desai

Website
SSRN Page

Michael O'Shea

Website
SSRN Page

Sarah Waldeck

Website
SSRN Page

Lawrence Cunningham

Website
SSRN Page

Danielle Citron

Website
SSRN Page

Jaya Ramji-Nogales

Website
SSRN Page


Guests

Robert Ahdieh
Neil H. Buchanan
Miriam Cherry
Susan Kuo
Jonathan Lipson
Paul Ohm
Geoffrey Rapp
Susan Scafidi
Howard Wasserman
Timothy Zick






ad-logo3.jpg

blawg100_winner2.jpg

Previous Guests

Michael Abramowicz
Michelle Adams
Robert Ahdieh
Michelle Anderson
Laura Appleman
Francesca Bignami
Jeremy Blumenthal
Bruce Boyden
Donald Braman
Al Brophy
Bill Burke-White
Scott Burris
Anupam Chander
Miriam Cherry
Jack Chin
Jennifer Collins
Allison Danner
Brannon Denning
Deven Desai
Mike Dimino
Christine Haight Farley
Kim Ferzan
Dan Filler
Amanda Frost
Timothy Glynn
Rachel Godsil
Eric Goldman
Craig Green
Jeffrey Harrison
Erica Hashimoto
Carissa Hessick
Laura Heymann
Christine Hurt
Darian Ibrahim
Dan Kahan
Sam Kamin
Heidi Kitrosser
Adam Kolber
Russell Korobkin
Anita S. Krishnakumar
Greg Lastowka
Sarah Lawsky
Erik Lillquist
Jeff Lipshaw
Joseph Liu
Solangel Maldonado
Jason Mazzone
William McGeveran
Salil Mehra
Carrie Menkel-Meadow
Max Minzner
Scott Moss
Eric Muller
Jaya Ramji-Nogales
Elizabeth Nowicki
Paul Ohm
Michael O'Shea
Rafael Pardo
Marcy Peek
Eduardo PeƱalver
Neil RIchards
Lori Ringhand
Alice Ristroph
Paul Secunda
Jessica Silbey
Peter Smith
Charles Sullivan
Rick Swedloff
Steph Tai
Robert Tsai
Steve Vladeck
Sarah Waldeck
Melissa Waters
Alfred Yen
David Zaring
Timothy Zick
Jonathan Zittrain

Blogroll

Above the Law
ACS Blog
Althouse
Balkinization
Becker-Posner Blog
Beltway Blogroll
BlackProf
BoingBoing
Chicago Law Faculty Blog
Conglomerate
Convictions
CrimLaw
Crime & Federalism
CrimProf Blog
Crooked Timber
Discourse.net
Dorf on Law
Election Law
Emergent Chaos
Feminist Law Profs
43(B)log
Freakonomics Blog
Freedom to Tinker
Google Blogoscoped
How Appealing
Ideoblog
Info/Law
Instapundit.com
JD2B.com
Juris Novus
Jurisdynamics
Law and Letters
Legal Profession Blog
Legal Theory Blog
Legal Times Blog
Leiter Reports
Brian Leiter's Law School Reports
Lessig Blog
Madisonian
Mirror of Justice
National Security Advisors
Opinio Juris
Point of Law
Political Theory Daily Review
PrawfsBlawg
ProfessorBainbridge.com
Property Prof
Red Tape Chronicles
The Right Coast
Schneier on Security
SCOTUSBlog
Security Dilemmas
Sentencing Law and Policy
Simple Justice
Sivacracy.net
The Situationist
Susan Crawford
TalkLeft
Talking Points Memo
TaxProf Blog
Tech & Marketing Law
Truth on the Market
Volokh Conspiracy
WorkPlace Prof Blog
WSJ Law Blog
Wonkette
The Yin Blog

Pajamas Media BlogRoll Member