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	<title>Comments on: The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller</title>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2008/01/the_three_steps_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50519</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no other conclusion the Court can make other than 2A supports an individual right.

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		<title>By: Jeff Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the citizens that formed armed neighborhood patrols in New Orleans after Katrina (and subsequent anarchy) not militia? I believe they embodied the very definition, which the Framers sought to protect through the Second Amendment. Given the unconstitutional, and utterly immoral oppression in the form of home invasions, confiscation and destruction of legally owned firearms, and forced evacuations carried out by “authorities” there, this decision cannot come soon enough. The threat of a tyrannical government is far from a remote concept, even in America.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the citizens that formed armed neighborhood patrols in New Orleans after Katrina (and subsequent anarchy) not militia? I believe they embodied the very definition, which the Framers sought to protect through the Second Amendment. Given the unconstitutional, and utterly immoral oppression in the form of home invasions, confiscation and destruction of legally owned firearms, and forced evacuations carried out by “authorities” there, this decision cannot come soon enough. The threat of a tyrannical government is far from a remote concept, even in America.</p>
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		<title>By: paul vallandigham</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul vallandigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there is that really pesky amendment, No. 10 to consider.  The Court has done an abyssmal job if defining what &quot; rights &quot; are reserved to the People, even when they have carved out a &quot; Right of Privacy &quot; from other Amendments. Certainly the right of Self Defense-to Life itself- and implicitly, the right to keep and bear the tools to do so, does not rest solely on the protection of the Second Amendment.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there is that really pesky amendment, No. 10 to consider.  The Court has done an abyssmal job if defining what &#8221; rights &#8221; are reserved to the People, even when they have carved out a &#8221; Right of Privacy &#8221; from other Amendments. Certainly the right of Self Defense-to Life itself- and implicitly, the right to keep and bear the tools to do so, does not rest solely on the protection of the Second Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: David M. Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M. Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In drafting the Second Amendment, did the Founding Fathers really intend that the last (read final) line of defense of the People’s Liberty be entrusted solely to the State governments and not the People themselves?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In drafting the Second Amendment, did the Founding Fathers really intend that the last (read final) line of defense of the People’s Liberty be entrusted solely to the State governments and not the People themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: rumplesnitz</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2008/01/the_three_steps_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50515</link>
		<dc:creator>rumplesnitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to secure individual rights by limiting the power of the Federal Government.  &quot;A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,&quot; simply means &quot;Uh, y&#039;know - it&#039;s kind of important to keep a population that is proficient with firearms...&quot;  &quot;...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.&quot;  &quot;Keep&quot; means &quot;own&quot;; &quot;bear&quot; means &quot;carry around&quot;.  Only cowards and elitist snobs who want to keep the people down, could have a problem with that.

Of course, like any right, there must be limits.  Fully automatic weapons, hand-grenades, Battle ships, fighter aircraft, and biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to proliferate.  I personally like the idea that one of the basic ideas of the Second Amendment is to ensure the people have the right to weapons of coercive force in order to resist an oppressive government - but I don&#039;t think that idea is actually represented by language in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.  In fact, the Constitution does affirm that the people have the right to peacefully dissolve the Constitution, so I think that speaks loads to that concept.

Simply stated, the Bill of Rights says the Federal Government has no right to prevent the public from owning and carrying around Bowie knives, swords, clubs, mace, pepper spray, stun guns, tazers, handguns, shotguns, and rifles.  Common sense dictates that extraordinarily powerful or hazardous weapons could and should be restricted.  It doesn&#039;t prevent the individual states from doing so, nor does it relieve any person from responsibility for his/her actions.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to secure individual rights by limiting the power of the Federal Government.  &#8220;A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,&#8221; simply means &#8220;Uh, y&#8217;know &#8211; it&#8217;s kind of important to keep a population that is proficient with firearms&#8230;&#8221;  &#8220;&#8230;the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.&#8221;  &#8220;Keep&#8221; means &#8220;own&#8221;; &#8220;bear&#8221; means &#8220;carry around&#8221;.  Only cowards and elitist snobs who want to keep the people down, could have a problem with that.</p>
<p>Of course, like any right, there must be limits.  Fully automatic weapons, hand-grenades, Battle ships, fighter aircraft, and biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to proliferate.  I personally like the idea that one of the basic ideas of the Second Amendment is to ensure the people have the right to weapons of coercive force in order to resist an oppressive government &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think that idea is actually represented by language in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.  In fact, the Constitution does affirm that the people have the right to peacefully dissolve the Constitution, so I think that speaks loads to that concept.</p>
<p>Simply stated, the Bill of Rights says the Federal Government has no right to prevent the public from owning and carrying around Bowie knives, swords, clubs, mace, pepper spray, stun guns, tazers, handguns, shotguns, and rifles.  Common sense dictates that extraordinarily powerful or hazardous weapons could and should be restricted.  It doesn&#8217;t prevent the individual states from doing so, nor does it relieve any person from responsibility for his/her actions.</p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What happened to &quot;shall not be infringed&quot;?&quot; indeed. That there is even an argument is scarry. Literally millions of our fellow citizens are willing to surrender their rights. That there could be five judges on the Supreme Court who would agree with the gun grabbers is merely a reflection of our condition. The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller by Mike O&#039;Shea is great, but how do we stop the rot? Can we?

I do worry. The too are the Times That Try Mens&#039; Souls. Good time to stock up onm ammo and magazines too.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happened to &#8220;shall not be infringed&#8221;?&#8221; indeed. That there is even an argument is scarry. Literally millions of our fellow citizens are willing to surrender their rights. That there could be five judges on the Supreme Court who would agree with the gun grabbers is merely a reflection of our condition. The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller by Mike O&#8217;Shea is great, but how do we stop the rot? Can we?</p>
<p>I do worry. The too are the Times That Try Mens&#8217; Souls. Good time to stock up onm ammo and magazines too.</p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What happened to &quot;shall not be infringed&quot;?&quot; indeed. That there is even an argument is scarry. Literally millions of our fellow citizens are willing to surrender their rights. That there could be five judges on the Supreme Court who would agree with the gun grabbers is merely a reflection of our condition. The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller by Mike O&#039;Shea is great, but how do we stop the rot? Can we?

I do worry. The too are the Times That Try Mens&#039; Souls. Good time to stock up onm ammo and magazines too.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happened to &#8220;shall not be infringed&#8221;?&#8221; indeed. That there is even an argument is scarry. Literally millions of our fellow citizens are willing to surrender their rights. That there could be five judges on the Supreme Court who would agree with the gun grabbers is merely a reflection of our condition. The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller by Mike O&#8217;Shea is great, but how do we stop the rot? Can we?</p>
<p>I do worry. The too are the Times That Try Mens&#8217; Souls. Good time to stock up onm ammo and magazines too.</p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What happened to &quot;shall not be infringed&quot;?&quot; indeed. That there is even an argument is scarry. Literally millions of our fellow citizens are willing to surrender their rights. That there could be five judges on the Supreme Court who would agree with the gun grabbers is merely a reflection of our condition. The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller by Mike O&#039;Shea is great, but how do we stop the rot? Can we?

I do worry. The too are the Times That Try Mens&#039; Souls. Good time to stock up onm ammo and magazines too.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happened to &#8220;shall not be infringed&#8221;?&#8221; indeed. That there is even an argument is scarry. Literally millions of our fellow citizens are willing to surrender their rights. That there could be five judges on the Supreme Court who would agree with the gun grabbers is merely a reflection of our condition. The Three Steps in D.C. v. Heller by Mike O&#8217;Shea is great, but how do we stop the rot? Can we?</p>
<p>I do worry. The too are the Times That Try Mens&#8217; Souls. Good time to stock up onm ammo and magazines too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to &quot;shall not be infringed&quot;?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to &#8220;shall not be infringed&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: John C</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explore DC&#039;s argument that it is a federal enclave, so any 2A protections don&#039;t apply. That argument seems to drag the states into the same boat (keeping their skirts clean in their bid for statehood?) and concludes that any 2A protections really don&#039;t apply to DC.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explore DC&#8217;s argument that it is a federal enclave, so any 2A protections don&#8217;t apply. That argument seems to drag the states into the same boat (keeping their skirts clean in their bid for statehood?) and concludes that any 2A protections really don&#8217;t apply to DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquin Softly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joaquin Softly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Draper makes an excellent point about differing standards for &quot;keeping&quot; vs &quot;bearing&quot; of arms.  The Constitution of the State of Georgia takes this very direct approach.  It works rather well.

&quot;Paragraph VIII. Arms, right to keep and bear. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Draper makes an excellent point about differing standards for &#8220;keeping&#8221; vs &#8220;bearing&#8221; of arms.  The Constitution of the State of Georgia takes this very direct approach.  It works rather well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Paragraph VIII. Arms, right to keep and bear. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lunatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, there&#039;s the Ninth Amendment argument.  (Yeah, yeah, &quot;inkblot&quot;, Mr. Bork.)

That is, if we find a right to bear arms for individual defense in Blackstone, and in Locke, and in the 1689 (English) Bill of Rights, then we must fairly conclude that it is a right of the people, as understood by the Framers, unless we have specific positive evidence to the contrary.  If said right is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; included in the Second Amendment, that doesn&#039;t matter; the Ninth exists to preserve any rights omitted from enumeration.

Accordingly, we can ignore the entire Second Amendment and still find individuals have a right to &quot;have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, there&#8217;s the Ninth Amendment argument.  (Yeah, yeah, &#8220;inkblot&#8221;, Mr. Bork.)</p>
<p>That is, if we find a right to bear arms for individual defense in Blackstone, and in Locke, and in the 1689 (English) Bill of Rights, then we must fairly conclude that it is a right of the people, as understood by the Framers, unless we have specific positive evidence to the contrary.  If said right is <i>not</i> included in the Second Amendment, that doesn&#8217;t matter; the Ninth exists to preserve any rights omitted from enumeration.</p>
<p>Accordingly, we can ignore the entire Second Amendment and still find individuals have a right to &#8220;have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Draper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zippypinhead:

Regarding what level of scrutiny to apply, I was thinking last night that two different standards of review could be applied for the rights to “keep” and “bear” arms?  The District and its allies argue for a “collective right” by focusing on the militia in prefatory clause and the military connotation of the term “bear arms,” while Heller emphasizes the plain language of the operative clause and uses “bear” as a synonym for “carry.”  The DOJ tries to split the difference, by recognizing an individual right but applying such a low level of scrutiny that the right could be regulated into extinction.

Perhaps strict scrutiny could be applied to the right to “keep” arms.  Those not under disability would be able to keep any “arms” (“part of the ordinary military equipment” – rifles, carbines, pistols &amp; shotguns, per Miller and the court of appeals decision in Heller) they please, in any condition they desire, in their home.  This would be consistent with not only the wording of the second amendment, but with the general respect in our society and legal system for a person to do what he pleases in his own home without state interference (e.g. the 3rd and 4th  amendment, the penumbra’s right of privacy, Kyllo, etc.).  This also comports with common sense, since I can have all the illegal guns I want in my basement and the government will never know about it until the firearms leave my house or I give them a reason to search my home.  The government’s archaic interest in having an armed body of citizens enrolled for military discipline, bearing arms supplied by themselves (as described in Miller), is thus protected, as is the ability of the people to overthrow a tyrannical government or resist a military coup.

A lower standard of review, allowing reasonable regulations, could be applied to the right to “bear” arms.  Justifying this lower standard would be the military service implications in the word “bear,” the fact that the “firm but also bright” line at the “entrance to the house” has been crossed (from Kyllo), and the fact that once the guns leave the home they will obviously have a greater impact on other people.   The carrying of bowie knives could therefore be prohibited, concealed or open carry could be regulated, the local “patriot” militia could not drill in the streets of Chicago, and brandishing could be made illegal.  I don’t know exactly what level of scrutiny would be appropriate, but the beauty of this approach is that the court does not have to make that decision.  Heller is really only about the right of individuals to “keep” arms (and in what condition they can be kept).  Like the incorporation of the 2nd amendment into the 14th amendment, the right to “bear” arms could be left to another case and day.

From my viewpoint, I think there is no more point to regulating the bearing of arms than the keeping of them, as it is perfectly legal here to openly carry a machinegun around town and nobody does it.  People just have too much sense.  But perhaps people have less sense in other places.  Almost all of the regulation of “bearing” is done by the states and I trust the good people of my state to be reasonable in that regard; it is the federal control of “keeping” that makes me uneasy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zippypinhead:</p>
<p>Regarding what level of scrutiny to apply, I was thinking last night that two different standards of review could be applied for the rights to “keep” and “bear” arms?  The District and its allies argue for a “collective right” by focusing on the militia in prefatory clause and the military connotation of the term “bear arms,” while Heller emphasizes the plain language of the operative clause and uses “bear” as a synonym for “carry.”  The DOJ tries to split the difference, by recognizing an individual right but applying such a low level of scrutiny that the right could be regulated into extinction.</p>
<p>Perhaps strict scrutiny could be applied to the right to “keep” arms.  Those not under disability would be able to keep any “arms” (“part of the ordinary military equipment” – rifles, carbines, pistols &#038; shotguns, per Miller and the court of appeals decision in Heller) they please, in any condition they desire, in their home.  This would be consistent with not only the wording of the second amendment, but with the general respect in our society and legal system for a person to do what he pleases in his own home without state interference (e.g. the 3rd and 4th  amendment, the penumbra’s right of privacy, Kyllo, etc.).  This also comports with common sense, since I can have all the illegal guns I want in my basement and the government will never know about it until the firearms leave my house or I give them a reason to search my home.  The government’s archaic interest in having an armed body of citizens enrolled for military discipline, bearing arms supplied by themselves (as described in Miller), is thus protected, as is the ability of the people to overthrow a tyrannical government or resist a military coup.</p>
<p>A lower standard of review, allowing reasonable regulations, could be applied to the right to “bear” arms.  Justifying this lower standard would be the military service implications in the word “bear,” the fact that the “firm but also bright” line at the “entrance to the house” has been crossed (from Kyllo), and the fact that once the guns leave the home they will obviously have a greater impact on other people.   The carrying of bowie knives could therefore be prohibited, concealed or open carry could be regulated, the local “patriot” militia could not drill in the streets of Chicago, and brandishing could be made illegal.  I don’t know exactly what level of scrutiny would be appropriate, but the beauty of this approach is that the court does not have to make that decision.  Heller is really only about the right of individuals to “keep” arms (and in what condition they can be kept).  Like the incorporation of the 2nd amendment into the 14th amendment, the right to “bear” arms could be left to another case and day.</p>
<p>From my viewpoint, I think there is no more point to regulating the bearing of arms than the keeping of them, as it is perfectly legal here to openly carry a machinegun around town and nobody does it.  People just have too much sense.  But perhaps people have less sense in other places.  Almost all of the regulation of “bearing” is done by the states and I trust the good people of my state to be reasonable in that regard; it is the federal control of “keeping” that makes me uneasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Troopship Berlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troopship Berlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Properly understood, the Second Amendment forbids laws that infringe on the right to possess firearms.  It does not say anything specific about what may be done with firearms beyond &quot;keeping&quot; or possessing them, and &quot;bearing&quot; or carrying them.

Presumably, a &quot;well-regulated&quot; militia is one that is prohibited from using firearms to commit crimes.  DC Code Section 7-2502.13(a) recognizes a limited right to &quot;possess and use a self-defense spray in the exercise of reasonable force in defense of the person or the person&#039;s property.&quot;  Would the Second Amendment prohibit DC from passing a law forbidding the use of firearms for self-defense? That&#039;s a question for another day.

I think you may be reading too much into the Court&#039;s certiorari grant.  I don&#039;t think the court needs to or can decide in Heller how firearms may be used (i.e., the &quot;private purposes&quot; for which they may be kept), because the statutes prohibit mere possession.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Properly understood, the Second Amendment forbids laws that infringe on the right to possess firearms.  It does not say anything specific about what may be done with firearms beyond &#8220;keeping&#8221; or possessing them, and &#8220;bearing&#8221; or carrying them.</p>
<p>Presumably, a &#8220;well-regulated&#8221; militia is one that is prohibited from using firearms to commit crimes.  DC Code Section 7-2502.13(a) recognizes a limited right to &#8220;possess and use a self-defense spray in the exercise of reasonable force in defense of the person or the person&#8217;s property.&#8221;  Would the Second Amendment prohibit DC from passing a law forbidding the use of firearms for self-defense? That&#8217;s a question for another day.</p>
<p>I think you may be reading too much into the Court&#8217;s certiorari grant.  I don&#8217;t think the court needs to or can decide in Heller how firearms may be used (i.e., the &#8220;private purposes&#8221; for which they may be kept), because the statutes prohibit mere possession.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just one simple thought, for others here have discussed this much better.  IF the argument at hand is weather or not the 2nd amendment protects individual use of firearms not related to national security, and if the argument suggests that only those weapons which are in use by the military ought to be supported, then are they offering to replace my Remington with an M-14?  I sure hope so!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just one simple thought, for others here have discussed this much better.  IF the argument at hand is weather or not the 2nd amendment protects individual use of firearms not related to national security, and if the argument suggests that only those weapons which are in use by the military ought to be supported, then are they offering to replace my Remington with an M-14?  I sure hope so!</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdege: &quot;The Address and Reasons of Dissent of the Minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania to their Constituents&quot; also says, in item seven:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; &lt;b&gt;and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdege: &#8220;The Address and Reasons of Dissent of the Minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania to their Constituents&#8221; also says, in item seven:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; <b>and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals</b></i>; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: zippypinhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>zippypinhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor O&#039;Shea&#039;s posting is very well-reasoned. I hope some of the pro-Heller amicii read it before they finalize their briefs. However, his three-step analysis does not end the inquiry. Even if the Court explicitly finds that a right to personal self-defense is included in the answer to his question 3, it would nevertheless still be possible for the Court to still hold that the right to keep and bear arms outside the militia context may be quite strictly regulated.

In order to uphold a broad individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, you really need a FOURTH step -- that the right is sufficiently &quot;fundamental&quot; that a strict scrutiny analysis is required.  If the &quot;compelling interest,&quot; &quot;narrowly tailored&quot; and &quot;least restrictive alternative&quot; requirements of strict scruiny were applied in an analysis of D.C.&#039;s handgun ban, it would undoubtedly fall.

If, on the other hand, the Court were to find that the lower &quot;rational basis&quot; standard of review applies to firearms regulations, it is quite possible that a lower court on remand would be able to find that D.C.&#039;s handgun ban is permissible.  Under a rational basis review, D.C.&#039;s handgun ban arguably could be found to address an important governmental interest (deterring street crime with concealable weapons), and an able-bodied citizen like Heller could be deemed capable of adequately exercising his right to personal self-defense in the home with a long gun.

Just a thought...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor O&#8217;Shea&#8217;s posting is very well-reasoned. I hope some of the pro-Heller amicii read it before they finalize their briefs. However, his three-step analysis does not end the inquiry. Even if the Court explicitly finds that a right to personal self-defense is included in the answer to his question 3, it would nevertheless still be possible for the Court to still hold that the right to keep and bear arms outside the militia context may be quite strictly regulated.</p>
<p>In order to uphold a broad individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, you really need a FOURTH step &#8212; that the right is sufficiently &#8220;fundamental&#8221; that a strict scrutiny analysis is required.  If the &#8220;compelling interest,&#8221; &#8220;narrowly tailored&#8221; and &#8220;least restrictive alternative&#8221; requirements of strict scruiny were applied in an analysis of D.C.&#8217;s handgun ban, it would undoubtedly fall.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, the Court were to find that the lower &#8220;rational basis&#8221; standard of review applies to firearms regulations, it is quite possible that a lower court on remand would be able to find that D.C.&#8217;s handgun ban is permissible.  Under a rational basis review, D.C.&#8217;s handgun ban arguably could be found to address an important governmental interest (deterring street crime with concealable weapons), and an able-bodied citizen like Heller could be deemed capable of adequately exercising his right to personal self-defense in the home with a long gun.</p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton E. Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton E. Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to the question of whether &quot;bear arms&quot; has a specifically military meaning, see http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1081201 .  Also, that paper includes a quote from James Wilson, member of the Philadelphia Convention, primary author of the 1790 Pennsylvania Constitution (which also had a guarantee a right to &quot;bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state&quot;), and Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.  He is very explicit that it protected an individual right to self-defense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the question of whether &#8220;bear arms&#8221; has a specifically military meaning, see <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1081201" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1081201</a> .  Also, that paper includes a quote from James Wilson, member of the Philadelphia Convention, primary author of the 1790 Pennsylvania Constitution (which also had a guarantee a right to &#8220;bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state&#8221;), and Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.  He is very explicit that it protected an individual right to self-defense.</p>
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		<title>By: John Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not translate &quot;militia&quot; as a civil self-defense force composed of individual Minutemen per 1775 et seq.?  Like &quot;establishment of religion,&quot; awkward phrasing renders the Second Amendment amenable to misinterpretation via pretended ambiguity, whereas Founders knew perfectly well that, a) Banning government subsidies does not prohibit free exercise of religion in private or in public contexts; and b)  Rights to self-defense of life and property are absolute, by individuals or groups threatened as private citizens by criminal assault or by the State.

Obfuscatory legalisms stink of Humpty Dumpty:  Words mean only what courts say they do.  (Think McCain/Feingold, wherein hundreds of convoluted pages interpret &quot;no law&quot; to mean &quot;shut up, we explain.&quot;) What Mr. Justice Kennedy eats for breakfast bears on repulsing violent attack?  Let brilliant legal minds (BLMs) eat their own words.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not translate &#8220;militia&#8221; as a civil self-defense force composed of individual Minutemen per 1775 et seq.?  Like &#8220;establishment of religion,&#8221; awkward phrasing renders the Second Amendment amenable to misinterpretation via pretended ambiguity, whereas Founders knew perfectly well that, a) Banning government subsidies does not prohibit free exercise of religion in private or in public contexts; and b)  Rights to self-defense of life and property are absolute, by individuals or groups threatened as private citizens by criminal assault or by the State.</p>
<p>Obfuscatory legalisms stink of Humpty Dumpty:  Words mean only what courts say they do.  (Think McCain/Feingold, wherein hundreds of convoluted pages interpret &#8220;no law&#8221; to mean &#8220;shut up, we explain.&#8221;) What Mr. Justice Kennedy eats for breakfast bears on repulsing violent attack?  Let brilliant legal minds (BLMs) eat their own words.</p>
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		<title>By: J Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Justice Kennedy would do well to read John Ross&#039;s novel &quot;Unintended Consequences&quot; and meditate on what an enraged populace might do if he votes in the negative on items 1, 2, &amp; 3.

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