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		<title>By: Darcy Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darcy Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..if there is some objective implication of imbalance or impropriety regarding the person whom it&#039;s aimed at?&quot;

&quot;Is this the &quot;true self&quot; speaking, or spinning out some subtle humor (that the miffed King appears not to be in on)?&quot;

These are just two examples of the poor construction in your writing. There are many other examples of incorrect usage in this post, but your misuse of prepositions is the most egregious and revealing.

For someone pontificating about language and its usage, you have very poor grammar. The entire premise of this post is suspect when you write so badly yourself. If you can&#039;t properly parse your own writing, how can you presume to analyze and critique the language of others?

William Safire would be appalled.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..if there is some objective implication of imbalance or impropriety regarding the person whom it&#8217;s aimed at?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Is this the &#8220;true self&#8221; speaking, or spinning out some subtle humor (that the miffed King appears not to be in on)?&#8221;</p>
<p>These are just two examples of the poor construction in your writing. There are many other examples of incorrect usage in this post, but your misuse of prepositions is the most egregious and revealing.</p>
<p>For someone pontificating about language and its usage, you have very poor grammar. The entire premise of this post is suspect when you write so badly yourself. If you can&#8217;t properly parse your own writing, how can you presume to analyze and critique the language of others?</p>
<p>William Safire would be appalled.</p>
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		<title>By: fooltomery</title>
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		<dc:creator>fooltomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, your wife &#039;borrowed&#039; her cookbook idea and you defamed the original author on national television.  Pay the lady and be thankful that what you did won&#039;t require you to go on a Michael Richards Harsh Reality Tour.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, your wife &#8216;borrowed&#8217; her cookbook idea and you defamed the original author on national television.  Pay the lady and be thankful that what you did won&#8217;t require you to go on a Michael Richards Harsh Reality Tour.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Having read a few cases in this area, I&#039;ve been worried by some judges&#039; willingness to take every potentially defamatory statement piecemeal, characterize them individually as opinions or &quot;obvious hyperbole,&quot; and dismiss the underlying defamation case. A series of innuendoes, jokes, dismissals, and jibes can probably undermine a reputation far more effectively than one false fact.&quot;

Agreed.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Having read a few cases in this area, I&#8217;ve been worried by some judges&#8217; willingness to take every potentially defamatory statement piecemeal, characterize them individually as opinions or &#8220;obvious hyperbole,&#8221; and dismiss the underlying defamation case. A series of innuendoes, jokes, dismissals, and jibes can probably undermine a reputation far more effectively than one false fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: TallDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>TallDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re both just schtick.

Besides, Jerry is correct in the second film: his show was iconic and he left at the top.  Major newspapers ran long stories about it at the time.  It&#039;s sort of odd Larry King would ask if he&#039;d been cancelled, as though he didn&#039;t know.  It was probably just some interview talk, stating something he knew as a question, and clearly Jerry&#039;s just having some opportune fun with faux outrage.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re both just schtick.</p>
<p>Besides, Jerry is correct in the second film: his show was iconic and he left at the top.  Major newspapers ran long stories about it at the time.  It&#8217;s sort of odd Larry King would ask if he&#8217;d been cancelled, as though he didn&#8217;t know.  It was probably just some interview talk, stating something he knew as a question, and clearly Jerry&#8217;s just having some opportune fun with faux outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;[Is Seinfeld] spinning out

&gt;some subtle humor (that the

&gt;miffed King appears not to

&gt;be in on)?

King didn&#039;t seem miffed at all. Rather, he seemed non-plussed that Seinfeld didn&#039;t pick up on his own attempt at humor. But apparently it was too subtle for Seinfeld. King&#039;s &quot;you canceled them&quot; schtick was clearly an intentional reference  to George Costanza&#039;s classic &quot;YOU can&#039;t break up with ME, I&#039;M breaking up with YOU.&quot;

On the other hand, Seinfeld was either miffed or going for a not-subtle-at-all laugh.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>[Is Seinfeld] spinning out</p>
<p>>some subtle humor (that the</p>
<p>>miffed King appears not to</p>
<p>>be in on)?</p>
<p>King didn&#8217;t seem miffed at all. Rather, he seemed non-plussed that Seinfeld didn&#8217;t pick up on his own attempt at humor. But apparently it was too subtle for Seinfeld. King&#8217;s &#8220;you canceled them&#8221; schtick was clearly an intentional reference  to George Costanza&#8217;s classic &#8220;YOU can&#8217;t break up with ME, I&#8217;M breaking up with YOU.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, Seinfeld was either miffed or going for a not-subtle-at-all laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: edcarrochio</title>
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		<dc:creator>edcarrochio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That CNN clip has been &quot;sanitized&quot; by the communist news network.  If anyone wants reality, they should watch a version of the exchange between Jerry and Larry that was not provided by CNN (as evidenced by the plug at the beginning of the clip).  YouTube has it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RVTP8xZCGVw

If the point is to show what an &quot;obnoxious character&quot; Jerry is to Larry, where Jerry takes a vicious shot at Larry&#039;s age and senility, then watch the unsanitized version.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That CNN clip has been &#8220;sanitized&#8221; by the communist news network.  If anyone wants reality, they should watch a version of the exchange between Jerry and Larry that was not provided by CNN (as evidenced by the plug at the beginning of the clip).  YouTube has it here: <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=RVTP8xZCGVw" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=RVTP8xZCGVw</a></p>
<p>If the point is to show what an &#8220;obnoxious character&#8221; Jerry is to Larry, where Jerry takes a vicious shot at Larry&#8217;s age and senility, then watch the unsanitized version.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a ridiculous lawsuit.  A woman defames the wife public figure in a public way and he fights back in a public way.  It&#039;s just a spat - though a public one and now the lawyers race their ambulances to the scene, further threatening our free speech by trying to stop us from even being able to say, &quot;In my opinion&quot;.

And you wonder why everyone hates lawyers?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a ridiculous lawsuit.  A woman defames the wife public figure in a public way and he fights back in a public way.  It&#8217;s just a spat &#8211; though a public one and now the lawyers race their ambulances to the scene, further threatening our free speech by trying to stop us from even being able to say, &#8220;In my opinion&#8221;.</p>
<p>And you wonder why everyone hates lawyers?</p>
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		<title>By: pettyfog</title>
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		<dc:creator>pettyfog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a little shocking to me, why the surprise?

Having watched both Seinfeld and Larry David sitcoms, I fail to understand why anyone with any character judgement at all doesnt understand that both only portray themselves on screen.

The OTHER characters may be acting, but those two are actually only doing situational hyperbolic responses.

That was the genius of Seinfeld&#039;s and, to some extent, David&#039;s sitcoms.

And which is why none of their opinions on anything OTHER than show-biz -as it pertains to them- should carry more weight than a basket of sand.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a little shocking to me, why the surprise?</p>
<p>Having watched both Seinfeld and Larry David sitcoms, I fail to understand why anyone with any character judgement at all doesnt understand that both only portray themselves on screen.</p>
<p>The OTHER characters may be acting, but those two are actually only doing situational hyperbolic responses.</p>
<p>That was the genius of Seinfeld&#8217;s and, to some extent, David&#8217;s sitcoms.</p>
<p>And which is why none of their opinions on anything OTHER than show-biz -as it pertains to them- should carry more weight than a basket of sand.</p>
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		<title>By: edh</title>
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		<dc:creator>edh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about parody?  Hasn&#039;t Lapine become a limited purpose public figure because of her lawsuit and claims?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about parody?  Hasn&#8217;t Lapine become a limited purpose public figure because of her lawsuit and claims?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank-- I thought for sure that this would have drawn more comments than the post on Google...

Good call on Grimmelman bringing to mind the opinion exceptions-- these are very good to know.

One grammatical point, when you say &quot;James Grimmelman notes,&quot; it&#039;s fair to use the present tense, since it&#039;s quite current, but it&#039;s not like he&#039;s commenting on Seinfeld here. He noted in the recent past, in a separate context, in an academic paper, to be published... in the future. (Is that the past impendent tense?)

Obviously, Seinfeld should have been been aware that the proper defense to his wife&#039;s book was that it wasn&#039;t word-for-word plagiarism, it wasn&#039;t a copyrighted idea, and thus the basic defense would be &quot;great minds think alike&quot; (or whatever the proper legal term is here), and thus, couldn&#039;t he have spun an observational crack along these lines:

&quot;You know Dave, did you ever notice works of art always come in pairs? There&#039;s a network on this dial -- I worked there for a few years-- and they have a show being broadcast at the same time, where the host begins with a monologue, and jokes with his bandleader, and has guests. You should have your lawyers watch it sometime. And you&#039;ve let them get away with it all these years!&quot;

&quot;But Jerry, you see they don&#039;t have &#039;Will it Float&#039;. Right, Paul?&quot;

&quot;Right Dave!&quot;

But then again, as my old classmate Dave Itzkoff wrote, in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/movies/21itzk.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;profile of Seinfeld&lt;/a&gt; for the Times, &quot;In person he can be affable, but he doesn’t hide a certain earned arrogance.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank&#8211; I thought for sure that this would have drawn more comments than the post on Google&#8230;</p>
<p>Good call on Grimmelman bringing to mind the opinion exceptions&#8211; these are very good to know.</p>
<p>One grammatical point, when you say &#8220;James Grimmelman notes,&#8221; it&#8217;s fair to use the present tense, since it&#8217;s quite current, but it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s commenting on Seinfeld here. He noted in the recent past, in a separate context, in an academic paper, to be published&#8230; in the future. (Is that the past impendent tense?)</p>
<p>Obviously, Seinfeld should have been been aware that the proper defense to his wife&#8217;s book was that it wasn&#8217;t word-for-word plagiarism, it wasn&#8217;t a copyrighted idea, and thus the basic defense would be &#8220;great minds think alike&#8221; (or whatever the proper legal term is here), and thus, couldn&#8217;t he have spun an observational crack along these lines:</p>
<p>&#8220;You know Dave, did you ever notice works of art always come in pairs? There&#8217;s a network on this dial &#8212; I worked there for a few years&#8211; and they have a show being broadcast at the same time, where the host begins with a monologue, and jokes with his bandleader, and has guests. You should have your lawyers watch it sometime. And you&#8217;ve let them get away with it all these years!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But Jerry, you see they don&#8217;t have &#8216;Will it Float&#8217;. Right, Paul?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Right Dave!&#8221;</p>
<p>But then again, as my old classmate Dave Itzkoff wrote, in his <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/movies/21itzk.html" rel="nofollow">profile of Seinfeld</a> for the Times, &#8220;In person he can be affable, but he doesn’t hide a certain earned arrogance.&#8221;</p>
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