Comments on: Nussbaum on Extremism http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html The Law, the Universe, and Everything Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:18:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Janet http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50926 Janet Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:20:52 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50926 <i>it may be an idea within religious traditions themselves.</i> I think it is highly contestable to equate feminism with equality, and ethnocentric to pressupose what equality is in evaluating a foreign religion's adherence to it as a principle. I also find disturbing the idea that if one can find some text in some religious book that endorses a conception of equality, then neo-colonialism is acceptable. it may be an idea within religious traditions themselves.

I think it is highly contestable to equate feminism with equality, and ethnocentric to pressupose what equality is in evaluating a foreign religion’s adherence to it as a principle. I also find disturbing the idea that if one can find some text in some religious book that endorses a conception of equality, then neo-colonialism is acceptable.

]]> By: Frank http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50925 Frank Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:39:37 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50925 To Tsongas: I think many of the same dynamics that Nussbaum describes would lead to violence against gay men as well as violence against women. Her idea is that the there is a certain "script" of power, force, violence, etc., that the right wing extremist prescribes, and anyone who deviates from the script may be a target. To Horton: I think there are many non-secular forms of feminism. Many religious traditions have within them sources that prescribe equality for women--if not in all spheres, at least in many important ones. So I don't think feminism is inevitably a form of secularization; rather, it may be an idea within religious traditions themselves. To Tsongas: I think many of the same dynamics that Nussbaum describes would lead to violence against gay men as well as violence against women. Her idea is that the there is a certain “script” of power, force, violence, etc., that the right wing extremist prescribes, and anyone who deviates from the script may be a target.

To Horton: I think there are many non-secular forms of feminism. Many religious traditions have within them sources that prescribe equality for women–if not in all spheres, at least in many important ones. So I don’t think feminism is inevitably a form of secularization; rather, it may be an idea within religious traditions themselves.

]]> By: Janet Horton http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50924 Janet Horton Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:45:24 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50924 Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism. Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism.

]]> By: Janet Horton http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50923 Janet Horton Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:45:09 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50923 Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism. Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism.

]]> By: Janet Horton http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50922 Janet Horton Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:45:03 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50922 Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism. Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism.

]]> By: Janet Horton http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50921 Janet Horton Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:40:39 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50921 Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism. Although theorists have long assumed that modernity secularizes, the forces of modernization may increase religious fervor. Not only may secularization impede modernization, but modernization may be accelerated if it rejects secularization and reinforces local culture. The question, then, is why those who approve of modernization insist on imposing secularization, including feminism.

]]> By: Narwhal Tsongas http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/12/understanding_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-50920 Narwhal Tsongas Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:37:24 +0000 http://www.solove.org/archives/2007/12/nussbaum-on-extremism.html#comment-50920 <i>Can we understand the assassination of Benazir Bhutto as a form of violence against woman? Of course in the most obvious sense it is violence against a woman. But there is also evidence that extremism generally is rooted in certain narratives of masculinity that we ignore at our peril.</i> So if Bhutto were a secular, modern, gay man who vowed to take on the terrorists, she wouldn't have been assasinated? I doubt that. Can we understand the assassination of Benazir Bhutto as a form of violence against woman? Of course in the most obvious sense it is violence against a woman. But there is also evidence that extremism generally is rooted in certain narratives of masculinity that we ignore at our peril.

So if Bhutto were a secular, modern, gay man who vowed to take on the terrorists, she wouldn’t have been assasinated? I doubt that.

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