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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;sa lot of problems here:

1) Main insight: It&#039;s easy to overpay for something.

This is true for stocks, baseball players, and movie stars. And ebay auction items.

Knowing this, is a good thing.

But it helps less that you might think - there&#039;s a lot of social factors that push people to overpay.

It&#039;s not a bad insight - but using it is harder than it looks. Like &quot;buy low, sell high&quot;.

2) Stories. Beware the data-miner with a story. Too many of these stories turn out to be excuses for bad policy.

3) Sample limitations. With data-mining, often you get a lot of me-too&#039;s since the model replicates the successes of the sample set. But it doesn&#039;t tell you what other models might work. It turns into &quot;formula&quot;.

And regarding: &quot;do we really want a supercrunching program to promote such music and excuse its supporters from giving reasons for it&quot;

You don&#039;t need any sort of complicated mathematics to knowthat sex and violence &lt;em&gt;sell&lt;/em&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;sa lot of problems here:</p>
<p>1) Main insight: It&#8217;s easy to overpay for something.</p>
<p>This is true for stocks, baseball players, and movie stars. And ebay auction items.</p>
<p>Knowing this, is a good thing.</p>
<p>But it helps less that you might think &#8211; there&#8217;s a lot of social factors that push people to overpay.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a bad insight &#8211; but using it is harder than it looks. Like &#8220;buy low, sell high&#8221;.</p>
<p>2) Stories. Beware the data-miner with a story. Too many of these stories turn out to be excuses for bad policy.</p>
<p>3) Sample limitations. With data-mining, often you get a lot of me-too&#8217;s since the model replicates the successes of the sample set. But it doesn&#8217;t tell you what other models might work. It turns into &#8220;formula&#8221;.</p>
<p>And regarding: &#8220;do we really want a supercrunching program to promote such music and excuse its supporters from giving reasons for it&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need any sort of complicated mathematics to knowthat sex and violence <em>sell</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

Great post.  My only comments is that your critique is primarily normative -- that reliance an data will erode our humanity.  In some cases that this surely right.

But in a world that rewards results, isn&#039;t the genie out of the proverbial bottle?  The tools themselves are here to stay.  So let&#039;s use them appropriately.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Great post.  My only comments is that your critique is primarily normative &#8212; that reliance an data will erode our humanity.  In some cases that this surely right.</p>
<p>But in a world that rewards results, isn&#8217;t the genie out of the proverbial bottle?  The tools themselves are here to stay.  So let&#8217;s use them appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dudley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This highlights the concern I have about &quot;Hume&#039;s law&quot;--that is does not imply ought, or as phrased by GE Moore, that the good is a non-natural kind.  In other words, just because a social phenomena is recognized as emergent, doesn&#039;t end the inquiry--we need to ask whether this is the preferred outcome, or whether we can take steps to reach a different equilibrium.

A fascinating case study was provided by Thomas Schelling (in Micromotives and Macrobehavior), describing the city of Oak Park&#039;s efforts to maintain a diverse neighborhood by prohibiting &#039;for sale&#039; signs, and insuring home owners from any decline in their home value.  Free marketers would&#039;ve hated the supposed &#039;government intervention,&#039; but Oak Park&#039;s actions actually helped increase its economic competitiveness, while serving laudible moral goals.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This highlights the concern I have about &#8220;Hume&#8217;s law&#8221;&#8211;that is does not imply ought, or as phrased by GE Moore, that the good is a non-natural kind.  In other words, just because a social phenomena is recognized as emergent, doesn&#8217;t end the inquiry&#8211;we need to ask whether this is the preferred outcome, or whether we can take steps to reach a different equilibrium.</p>
<p>A fascinating case study was provided by Thomas Schelling (in Micromotives and Macrobehavior), describing the city of Oak Park&#8217;s efforts to maintain a diverse neighborhood by prohibiting &#8216;for sale&#8217; signs, and insuring home owners from any decline in their home value.  Free marketers would&#8217;ve hated the supposed &#8216;government intervention,&#8217; but Oak Park&#8217;s actions actually helped increase its economic competitiveness, while serving laudible moral goals.</p>
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