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	<title>Comments on: Bush Commutes Libby&#8217;s Sentence</title>
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		<title>By: P.S. Ruckman, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.S. Ruckman, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I don&#039;t know federal law, but I wonder whether Bush could have ordered imposition of a different, lesser prison term.

* Certainly. A reduction in the length of a sentence or reduction to time served is very common.

&gt;Could he have altered the length (to say nothing of terms) of probation?

* I am not aware of an example like this, but I am not aware of any reason why the president could not do it. Commonly, a clemency warrant will simply say, &quot;and will be subjec to terms of probation&quot; (without any extra details)

&gt; Could he have put Libby on house arrest for eight months?

* Yes, but the form would have been a conditional commutation of sentence, like the one Patricia Hearst got from Carter.

&gt; And what if Libby gets caught driving drunk next month. Can he be sent to the pokey for a probation violation?

* Oh yes. Been done before. Classic example, Lupo &quot;the Wolf&quot; Saietta

&gt;Given that Bush respects the jury&#039;s verdict, why exactly is probation, rather than 30 months, or 20 months, or 6 months, appropriate?

* The jury&#039;s verdict was in regard to the offense, not the sentence.

best,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> I don&#8217;t know federal law, but I wonder whether Bush could have ordered imposition of a different, lesser prison term.</p>
<p>* Certainly. A reduction in the length of a sentence or reduction to time served is very common.</p>
<p>>Could he have altered the length (to say nothing of terms) of probation?</p>
<p>* I am not aware of an example like this, but I am not aware of any reason why the president could not do it. Commonly, a clemency warrant will simply say, &#8220;and will be subjec to terms of probation&#8221; (without any extra details)</p>
<p>> Could he have put Libby on house arrest for eight months?</p>
<p>* Yes, but the form would have been a conditional commutation of sentence, like the one Patricia Hearst got from Carter.</p>
<p>> And what if Libby gets caught driving drunk next month. Can he be sent to the pokey for a probation violation?</p>
<p>* Oh yes. Been done before. Classic example, Lupo &#8220;the Wolf&#8221; Saietta</p>
<p>>Given that Bush respects the jury&#8217;s verdict, why exactly is probation, rather than 30 months, or 20 months, or 6 months, appropriate?</p>
<p>* The jury&#8217;s verdict was in regard to the offense, not the sentence.</p>
<p>best,</p>
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		<title>By: Libby will only suffer until election time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby will only suffer until election time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush can just pardon him later.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush can just pardon him later.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d respectfully suggest that most don&#039;t share your level of concern.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d respectfully suggest that most don&#8217;t share your level of concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Fraud Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraud Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking from the flyover states, I do care.  In a local mob trial, one of the witnesses was just remanded into custody for refusing to testify against the defendants.  He doesn&#039;t have a pardon or commutation to back himself up, just fear of reprisal.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from the flyover states, I do care.  In a local mob trial, one of the witnesses was just remanded into custody for refusing to testify against the defendants.  He doesn&#8217;t have a pardon or commutation to back himself up, just fear of reprisal.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Libby will now have to live with at least a few of the nasty collateral sanctions (potential loss of voting rights, loss of the ability to obtain certain professional licenses, etc.) that come along with a felony criminal conviction.&quot;

The case is still on appeal.  Are you suggesting that those consequences would follow even if the court of appeals vacates the conviction?

As for &quot;most Americans,&quot; I&#039;d say that most Americans (at least most of those outside of DC, New York, and Los Angeles) simply don&#039;t care.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Libby will now have to live with at least a few of the nasty collateral sanctions (potential loss of voting rights, loss of the ability to obtain certain professional licenses, etc.) that come along with a felony criminal conviction.&#8221;</p>
<p>The case is still on appeal.  Are you suggesting that those consequences would follow even if the court of appeals vacates the conviction?</p>
<p>As for &#8220;most Americans,&#8221; I&#8217;d say that most Americans (at least most of those outside of DC, New York, and Los Angeles) simply don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The second interesting issue is that this maneuver shows how the executive can manipulate sentences.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, this is the same issue that came up in the Paris Hilton case...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The second interesting issue is that this maneuver shows how the executive can manipulate sentences.</i></p>
<p>Of course, this is the same issue that came up in the Paris Hilton case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick S. O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick S. O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me among most Americans.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me among most Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will be interesting is the candiates responses to this issue and how they successfully use it to help themselves in the eyes of the American public. I think most Americans view this as George helping his friends out.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will be interesting is the candiates responses to this issue and how they successfully use it to help themselves in the eyes of the American public. I think most Americans view this as George helping his friends out.</p>
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