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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/why_so_few_blac_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-54034</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your above comment is pretty ignorant.  According to the very definition you posted I see nothing to suggest the woman is racist.  She did not comment that the white dancers in the show were superior to the black dancers, merely that she was bothered by the incongruity of the difference between the dancers.  Ballet, as an art form, aesthetically focuses on a conformity and unity.  Generally, dancers (particularly female dancers) must be within a certain height range (5&#039;4-5&#039;7), most posses a specific body type, and must dance in unison.  I can imagine that when trying to portray snowflakes this unity and similarity is even more important. If your offended by this style don&#039;t watch or dance ballet, patronize another dance form.  This isnt to say that racism does not exist in droves in ballet.  It does.  But the above example is very poor.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your above comment is pretty ignorant.  According to the very definition you posted I see nothing to suggest the woman is racist.  She did not comment that the white dancers in the show were superior to the black dancers, merely that she was bothered by the incongruity of the difference between the dancers.  Ballet, as an art form, aesthetically focuses on a conformity and unity.  Generally, dancers (particularly female dancers) must be within a certain height range (5&#8242;4-5&#8242;7), most posses a specific body type, and must dance in unison.  I can imagine that when trying to portray snowflakes this unity and similarity is even more important. If your offended by this style don&#8217;t watch or dance ballet, patronize another dance form.  This isnt to say that racism does not exist in droves in ballet.  It does.  But the above example is very poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your above comment is pretty ignorant.  According to the very definition you posted I see nothing to suggest the woman is racist.  She did not comment that the white dancers in the show were superior to the black dancers, merely that she was bothered by the incongruity of the difference between the dancers.  Ballet, as an art form, aesthetically focuses on a conformity and unity.  Generally, dancers (particularly female dancers) must be within a certain height range (5&#039;4-5&#039;7), most posses a specific body type, and must dance in unison.  I can imagine that when trying to portray snowflakes this unity and similarity is even more important.  If your offended by this style don&#039;t watch or dance ballet, patronize another dance form.  This isnt to say that racism does not exist in droves in ballet.  It does.  But the above example is very poor.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your above comment is pretty ignorant.  According to the very definition you posted I see nothing to suggest the woman is racist.  She did not comment that the white dancers in the show were superior to the black dancers, merely that she was bothered by the incongruity of the difference between the dancers.  Ballet, as an art form, aesthetically focuses on a conformity and unity.  Generally, dancers (particularly female dancers) must be within a certain height range (5&#8242;4-5&#8242;7), most posses a specific body type, and must dance in unison.  I can imagine that when trying to portray snowflakes this unity and similarity is even more important.  If your offended by this style don&#8217;t watch or dance ballet, patronize another dance form.  This isnt to say that racism does not exist in droves in ballet.  It does.  But the above example is very poor.</p>
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		<title>By: steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racism  1.   The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

The lady is racist. I can&#039;t fathom why one would ever say such a comment wasn&#039;t. Its classic racism. Now if it was a matter of a ballet being ruined because the only black dancers in the show added a different style of hip rolling, soulful movement (for example)to their steps, therefore standing out in that manner, I would understand where the lady, excuse me woman (she is in no way a lady for that defines a &quot;well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.&quot; )  was coming from. In that case the event would have been an act of disrespect to long lived traditions of ballet. Sadly this was not the case for her at all. It was not the style of dance but the color of skin and/or &quot;cultural backround&quot; of the dancers. I say with quotations because the idea of backround in her view was most likely a stereotype. Nevertheless none of this could have been portrayed in the actual dancing. As a former dancer with training ranging from smaller to some of the most celebrated companies, my opinion is that in order for those dancers to have been chosen for such a prestigious ballet, they had to be good if not some of the best dancers in the show all together.  I mean its not like the company doesn&#039;t know of the so called &quot;risks&quot; of black dancers. They could never be mediocre, they would stick out like sore thumbs and encourage the very segregation that this woman would prefer. Too bad she can&#039;t just travel back in time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism  1.   The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.</p>
<p>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.</p>
<p>The lady is racist. I can&#8217;t fathom why one would ever say such a comment wasn&#8217;t. Its classic racism. Now if it was a matter of a ballet being ruined because the only black dancers in the show added a different style of hip rolling, soulful movement (for example)to their steps, therefore standing out in that manner, I would understand where the lady, excuse me woman (she is in no way a lady for that defines a &#8220;well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.&#8221; )  was coming from. In that case the event would have been an act of disrespect to long lived traditions of ballet. Sadly this was not the case for her at all. It was not the style of dance but the color of skin and/or &#8220;cultural backround&#8221; of the dancers. I say with quotations because the idea of backround in her view was most likely a stereotype. Nevertheless none of this could have been portrayed in the actual dancing. As a former dancer with training ranging from smaller to some of the most celebrated companies, my opinion is that in order for those dancers to have been chosen for such a prestigious ballet, they had to be good if not some of the best dancers in the show all together.  I mean its not like the company doesn&#8217;t know of the so called &#8220;risks&#8221; of black dancers. They could never be mediocre, they would stick out like sore thumbs and encourage the very segregation that this woman would prefer. Too bad she can&#8217;t just travel back in time.</p>
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		<title>By: AYY</title>
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		<dc:creator>AYY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 10:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t agree with your last sentence. The literature on unconscious racism is just going to get her all worked up about a problem she doesn&#039;t show any sign of having.

If you&#039;re right in conveying what the Ethicist said, then he&#039;s playing semantic games rather than answering her question. I would think that racism involves making unjustified negative generalizations. If the Ethicist defines racism the way he did, then he can call anyone he wants a racist.  But then maybe his point was to try to make her feel guilty.

Also, he has no basis to draw the conclusions he did about her. She gave no indication of being affected by feelings toward race in any way other than the most obvious ones.  There was no disparagement of Black people in her aesthetic preference. She merely referred to an obvious external characteristic. So as I see it, she hasn&#039;t shown any signs of racism, conscious or unconscious.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t agree with your last sentence. The literature on unconscious racism is just going to get her all worked up about a problem she doesn&#8217;t show any sign of having.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re right in conveying what the Ethicist said, then he&#8217;s playing semantic games rather than answering her question. I would think that racism involves making unjustified negative generalizations. If the Ethicist defines racism the way he did, then he can call anyone he wants a racist.  But then maybe his point was to try to make her feel guilty.</p>
<p>Also, he has no basis to draw the conclusions he did about her. She gave no indication of being affected by feelings toward race in any way other than the most obvious ones.  There was no disparagement of Black people in her aesthetic preference. She merely referred to an obvious external characteristic. So as I see it, she hasn&#8217;t shown any signs of racism, conscious or unconscious.</p>
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		<title>By: Solangel Maldonado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solangel Maldonado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ethicist replied that this does make her “a racist – not in the sense of exercising a virulent antipathy toward African-Americans but of being, like most of us, affected by feelings about race.”

I agree that this reader probably wanted someone to tell her that is was okay to have these feelings.  It is also quite telling that she does not wish to intentionally discriminate against Black dancers and is questioning her aesthetic preferences.  Maybe she should read some of the literature on unconcious racism.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ethicist replied that this does make her “a racist – not in the sense of exercising a virulent antipathy toward African-Americans but of being, like most of us, affected by feelings about race.”</p>
<p>I agree that this reader probably wanted someone to tell her that is was okay to have these feelings.  It is also quite telling that she does not wish to intentionally discriminate against Black dancers and is questioning her aesthetic preferences.  Maybe she should read some of the literature on unconcious racism.</p>
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		<title>By: AYY</title>
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		<dc:creator>AYY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the answer to the reader&#039;s question?  If it was the NY Times ethicist, I suspect, although I don&#039;t know, that he might have told her it was okay as long as she votes the right way.

Actually I have to wonder why someone would ask someone else (much less someone who works for the NY Times of all places) if her aesthetic preference makes her a racist.  It seems to me she&#039;s looking  for external validation that she&#039;s not a bad person.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the answer to the reader&#8217;s question?  If it was the NY Times ethicist, I suspect, although I don&#8217;t know, that he might have told her it was okay as long as she votes the right way.</p>
<p>Actually I have to wonder why someone would ask someone else (much less someone who works for the NY Times of all places) if her aesthetic preference makes her a racist.  It seems to me she&#8217;s looking  for external validation that she&#8217;s not a bad person.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if they are only reacting to expected negative audience response, that&#039;s still a Palmore problem, I would imagine.  e.g.,

&quot;In Palmore, a dispute over custody of a child, the divorced mother and father were  both white;  the mother, who  had  initially  been granted custody,  remarried with an African American man. A  local  judge  in Florida, citing  the prejudice  that a child would  suffer  from  growing  up  in  an  interracial  household,  then  awarded  custody  of  the  child  to  the  father,

saying that that action was in the best interests of the child. The Supreme Court did not question

the  trial  court’s  factual  findings  about  the  difficulties  the  child would  face;  indeed  the Court  explicitly acknowledged the “risk” that the child would be harmed.&quot;

But &quot;The Court declared  that “the  law cannot,  directly  or  indirectly, give … effect”  to  the

“private biases” directed at the interracial couple, notwithstanding their “reality … and the injury they might inflict.”

from

http://www.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&amp;context=ils

Moreover, I would think aesthetic responses would be far more malleable than the types of prejudice at issue in Palmore.  IF a few tastemakers start valuing diverse performers, I would think the audience would follow.  Indeed, there&#039;s often only one ballet company in a city--to whom will they defect?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if they are only reacting to expected negative audience response, that&#8217;s still a Palmore problem, I would imagine.  e.g.,</p>
<p>&#8220;In Palmore, a dispute over custody of a child, the divorced mother and father were  both white;  the mother, who  had  initially  been granted custody,  remarried with an African American man. A  local  judge  in Florida, citing  the prejudice  that a child would  suffer  from  growing  up  in  an  interracial  household,  then  awarded  custody  of  the  child  to  the  father,</p>
<p>saying that that action was in the best interests of the child. The Supreme Court did not question</p>
<p>the  trial  court’s  factual  findings  about  the  difficulties  the  child would  face;  indeed  the Court  explicitly acknowledged the “risk” that the child would be harmed.&#8221;</p>
<p>But &#8220;The Court declared  that “the  law cannot,  directly  or  indirectly, give … effect”  to  the</p>
<p>“private biases” directed at the interracial couple, notwithstanding their “reality … and the injury they might inflict.”</p>
<p>from</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&#038;context=ils" rel="nofollow">http://www.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&#038;context=ils</a></p>
<p>Moreover, I would think aesthetic responses would be far more malleable than the types of prejudice at issue in Palmore.  IF a few tastemakers start valuing diverse performers, I would think the audience would follow.  Indeed, there&#8217;s often only one ballet company in a city&#8211;to whom will they defect?</p>
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