I think now I’m going to forward this thread to Anders Kaye. Either that, or I can try to come up with some way to use it in Business Associations. “Okay, now suppose your shareholder got really mad at the Board member, and took a baseball bat to his car . . .”

http://idolator.com/tunes/clips/the-idolawyer-is-carrie-underwood-above-the-law-249926.php

I just want to add two things to this discussion. First, how does “These Boot Are Made for Walking” fit into your theory? Second, is there any way to get Tammy Wynette to knock some sense into Carrie Underwood?

(The proprietor of one of our local coffee/donut shops plays old tracks from the 60′s and 70′s. One of the songs you can often hear there is Stand By Your Man. Somehow I seem to manage to get something in my eye whenever I hear it.)

That is some fine work you’ve been doing in punishment theory! May I also direct you to the early blues work of Bessie Smith for some highly original retributist material, including the famous “Mistreating Daddy” :

Mistreating daddy, mama’s drawed the danger line

Yes, you’ll cross it, I’ll get you

If you see me setting on another daddy’s knee

Don’t bother me, I’m as mean as can be

I’m like the butcher right down the street

I can cut you all apieces like I would a piece of meat

Note the themes of both moral blameworthiness and lex talonis that run throughout so much of her work…

However, I think everyone here has missed a point. Please note how the lines of lyrics start (my emphases):

“Right now, he’s probably slow dancin’ with a bleached-blonde tramp and she’s sayin’ that she’s thirsty

…

Right now, she’s probably sayin’ ‘I’m drunk!’ and he’s thinkin’ that he’s gonna get lucky

…

Right now, he’s probably dabbin’ on three dollars worth of that bathroom Polo….”

So basically, her rampage is not due to her witnessing the actions that are driving the behavior, but from her imagining what is happening inside that bar she saw her boyfriend walk into with the other woman.

Now if this was a bad comedy, she would later find out that the girl was his sister or cousin, who just came in from out of town….

“I might’ve saved a little trouble for the next girl,/

‘Cause the next time that he cheats/

Oh, you know it won’t be on me!”

This is the problem with you academics … you overfocus on part of a text without thoroughly examining the whole!

“I might’ve saved a little trouble for the next girl,

‘Cause the next time that he cheats…

Oh, you know it won’t be on me!”

This is the problem with you academics … you overfocus on part of a text without comprehending the whole!

Admittedly, its a rare flavor of deterrence. Its usually the state that engages in general deterrence, but the state rarely has any interest in general deterrence on behalf of single individuals. Single individuals, of course, would love to deter any and all future offenses against them, but most single individuals don’t have the ability to disseminate their self-serving deterrent message effectively to the general public. Luckily for Carrie, she can get her self-serving deterrent message out in a way that the rest of us can’t.

Still, its a self-absorbed sort of deterrence (“I have a message for everyone about me, Carrie Underwood!”). Maybe its the self-absorbtion that makes it seem like there’s got to be some retribution in there?

Do men actually like this song?

First, perhaps her actions are not relatively unusual where she lives.

Second, perhaps her actions are unusual but not unheard of. Say most women would never engage in such behavior, but a small number of women (Underwood plus n) would (let’s call these women destroyers). And say a man doesn’t know whether he’s dating a destroyer until he treats her badly. A man will avoid the bad behavior if the expected cost of the behavior (probability his girlfriend is a destroyer times cost, both financial and emotional, of damage to his car) outweighs the benefit (whatever that is). Also consider that by publicizing her behavior, Underwood may cause men to believe that the percentage of destroyers is higher than it actually is (salience).

Finally, perhaps the song is popular precisely because her behavior is vanishingly uncommon, and the song provides women listeners with a fantasy world in which a woman would in fact risk prison to help stop a man from treating other women badly, and perhaps that is a very enjoyable fantasy world indeed.