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	<title>Comments on: The Lingua Franca</title>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/the_lingua_fran.html/comment-page-1#comment-54027</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 19:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve also always been fond of the pleading called a &quot;Suggestion of Death&quot;, and thought it would be a good title for my unpublished novel, but someone beat me to it.

http://www.amazon.com/Suggestion-Death-Marianne-Wesson/dp/0671035592

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also always been fond of the pleading called a &#8220;Suggestion of Death&#8221;, and thought it would be a good title for my unpublished novel, but someone beat me to it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Suggestion-Death-Marianne-Wesson/dp/0671035592" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Suggestion-Death-Marianne-Wesson/dp/0671035592</a></p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/the_lingua_fran.html/comment-page-1#comment-54026</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 19:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s &quot;reckless and wanton&quot; conduct, not &quot;reckless and Won Ton&quot; as one student memorably put it in 1L Torts.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;reckless and wanton&#8221; conduct, not &#8220;reckless and Won Ton&#8221; as one student memorably put it in 1L Torts.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 14:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally like the word &quot;hypothecate,&quot; which I try to use no only in my secured transactions class (which after all is mainly about hypothecation) but also at dinner parties, neighborhood BBQs, etc.  Of course when I do, my wife generally gives me a hard elbow jab to the ribs.

Elizabeth Warren at HLS reputedly begins each semester of her contracts class by -- literally before saying anything else -- asking some poor 1L, &quot;What is an assumpsit?&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally like the word &#8220;hypothecate,&#8221; which I try to use no only in my secured transactions class (which after all is mainly about hypothecation) but also at dinner parties, neighborhood BBQs, etc.  Of course when I do, my wife generally gives me a hard elbow jab to the ribs.</p>
<p>Elizabeth Warren at HLS reputedly begins each semester of her contracts class by &#8212; literally before saying anything else &#8212; asking some poor 1L, &#8220;What is an assumpsit?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: interested reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>interested reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 09:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the common element in &quot;probate,&quot; &quot;probative,&quot; and &quot;probation&quot; is the idea of proving something.  &quot;Probate&quot; is designed to prove the the validity of wills, probative means &quot;tending to prove,&quot; and &quot;probation&quot; tests a person&#039;s ability to change his or her conduct.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the common element in &#8220;probate,&#8221; &#8220;probative,&#8221; and &#8220;probation&#8221; is the idea of proving something.  &#8220;Probate&#8221; is designed to prove the the validity of wills, probative means &#8220;tending to prove,&#8221; and &#8220;probation&#8221; tests a person&#8217;s ability to change his or her conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: interested reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>interested reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 09:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the common element in &quot;probate,&quot; &quot;probative,&quot; and &quot;probation&quot; is the idea of proving something.  &quot;Probate&quot; is designed to prove the the validity of wills, probative means &quot;tending to prove,&quot; and &quot;probation&quot; tests a person&#039;s ability to change his or her conduct.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the common element in &#8220;probate,&#8221; &#8220;probative,&#8221; and &#8220;probation&#8221; is the idea of proving something.  &#8220;Probate&#8221; is designed to prove the the validity of wills, probative means &#8220;tending to prove,&#8221; and &#8220;probation&#8221; tests a person&#8217;s ability to change his or her conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick S. O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/the_lingua_fran.html/comment-page-1#comment-54022</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick S. O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 01:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many of the commenters here would enjoy Peter M. Tiersma&#039;s Legal Language (1999), as well as much of the material at his webpage LANGUAGEandLAW.org: http://www.languageandlaw.org/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many of the commenters here would enjoy Peter M. Tiersma&#8217;s Legal Language (1999), as well as much of the material at his webpage LANGUAGEandLAW.org: <a href="http://www.languageandlaw.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.languageandlaw.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lipshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lipshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 23:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;constructive&quot; myself.  I teach that whenever you hear a law professor say &quot;constructive&quot; the next word is a lie.

Of course, that means that a constructive comment is not a helpful one, but one you didn&#039;t make, and are deemed to have made anyway.

I scratched my head over the writ of trespass for a long time, particularly trespass on the case.  As opposed to trespass quaere clausum fregit, which was always perfectly clear to me.

I hope this has been constructive.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like &#8220;constructive&#8221; myself.  I teach that whenever you hear a law professor say &#8220;constructive&#8221; the next word is a lie.</p>
<p>Of course, that means that a constructive comment is not a helpful one, but one you didn&#8217;t make, and are deemed to have made anyway.</p>
<p>I scratched my head over the writ of trespass for a long time, particularly trespass on the case.  As opposed to trespass quaere clausum fregit, which was always perfectly clear to me.</p>
<p>I hope this has been constructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Archit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 22:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apposite

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		<title>By: NE2d</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/the_lingua_fran.html/comment-page-1#comment-54019</link>
		<dc:creator>NE2d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 19:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am utterly baffled by &quot;consideration.&quot;  &quot;Outcome determinative&quot; is almost as bad.

On a related note, &quot;probate,&quot; &quot;probative,&quot; and &quot;probation&quot; all mean seemingly completely different things.  Are the concepts related in some way I don&#039;t see?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am utterly baffled by &#8220;consideration.&#8221;  &#8220;Outcome determinative&#8221; is almost as bad.</p>
<p>On a related note, &#8220;probate,&#8221; &#8220;probative,&#8221; and &#8220;probation&#8221; all mean seemingly completely different things.  Are the concepts related in some way I don&#8217;t see?</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A property prof of mine used to have some fun at the class&#039;s expense by using the term &quot;demised premises&quot; and then asking students what they thought it meant.  Students always guessed something like &quot;uninhabitable,&quot; when in fact it simply means &quot;rented.&quot;

(As an aside, it&#039;s always irked me that MS Word doesn&#039;t recognize the existence of the word &quot;dispositive.&quot;)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A property prof of mine used to have some fun at the class&#8217;s expense by using the term &#8220;demised premises&#8221; and then asking students what they thought it meant.  Students always guessed something like &#8220;uninhabitable,&#8221; when in fact it simply means &#8220;rented.&#8221;</p>
<p>(As an aside, it&#8217;s always irked me that MS Word doesn&#8217;t recognize the existence of the word &#8220;dispositive.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: nyu</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 03:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>law of &quot;accession&quot; instead of &quot;accretion&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>law of &#8220;accession&#8221; instead of &#8220;accretion&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: humblelawstudent</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/the_lingua_fran.html/comment-page-1#comment-54016</link>
		<dc:creator>humblelawstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Impracticable&quot;  It took me a year to realize the professor wasn&#039;t actually saying &quot;impractical&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Impracticable&#8221;  It took me a year to realize the professor wasn&#8217;t actually saying &#8220;impractical&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: U of C</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/05/the_lingua_fran.html/comment-page-1#comment-54015</link>
		<dc:creator>U of C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normative and descriptive (used as opposites)

All the economics jargon

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normative and descriptive (used as opposites)</p>
<p>All the economics jargon</p>
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		<title>By: SC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple that gave me fits for a while: prudential (as used in Con Law and a Fed Courts class) and doctrinal (as constantly used by my torts prof).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple that gave me fits for a while: prudential (as used in Con Law and a Fed Courts class) and doctrinal (as constantly used by my torts prof).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Under Illinois law, little of what we file during motion practice is recognized as a pleading. This technicality tends to become an issue when we file an objection and/or motion to strike the motion of a weak opponent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oy veh. The lexicon of state court practice can really be a nightmare. Most of my practice experience was in Pennsylvania, where the rules of civil procedure seem to have been written by Charles Dickens as background material for &lt;i&gt;Bleak House&lt;/i&gt;. The clerk is the &quot;prothonotary&quot;; a 12(b)(6)-type motion is a &quot;preliminary objection&quot;; and there&#039;s something called a &quot;praecipe for a rule to show cause&quot;, the precise meaning of which still eludes me.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Under Illinois law, little of what we file during motion practice is recognized as a pleading. This technicality tends to become an issue when we file an objection and/or motion to strike the motion of a weak opponent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oy veh. The lexicon of state court practice can really be a nightmare. Most of my practice experience was in Pennsylvania, where the rules of civil procedure seem to have been written by Charles Dickens as background material for <i>Bleak House</i>. The clerk is the &#8220;prothonotary&#8221;; a 12(b)(6)-type motion is a &#8220;preliminary objection&#8221;; and there&#8217;s something called a &#8220;praecipe for a rule to show cause&#8221;, the precise meaning of which still eludes me.</p>
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		<title>By: A Northwestern Law Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Northwestern Law Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read your definition of dispositive three times, and I still don&#039;t know whether we understand it the same way.  Evidence that is dispositive doesn&#039;t just &quot;tend&quot; to answer a question, it *does* answer the and resolve (dispose of) the issue.  Maybe that&#039;s what you meant.

I would also throw onto the list the distinctions between legal/jurisprudential/juristic/jural.  And &quot;cause of action,&quot; which a lot of people conflate (!) with &quot;action.&quot;  &quot;Epistemological&quot; gets thrown around a fair amount too.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read your definition of dispositive three times, and I still don&#8217;t know whether we understand it the same way.  Evidence that is dispositive doesn&#8217;t just &#8220;tend&#8221; to answer a question, it *does* answer the and resolve (dispose of) the issue.  Maybe that&#8217;s what you meant.</p>
<p>I would also throw onto the list the distinctions between legal/jurisprudential/juristic/jural.  And &#8220;cause of action,&#8221; which a lot of people conflate (!) with &#8220;action.&#8221;  &#8220;Epistemological&#8221; gets thrown around a fair amount too.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under Illinois law, little of what we file during motion practice is recognized as a pleading. This technicality tends to become an issue when we file an objection and/or motion to strike the motion of a weak opponent.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under Illinois law, little of what we file during motion practice is recognized as a pleading. This technicality tends to become an issue when we file an objection and/or motion to strike the motion of a weak opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Led</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Led</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under Illinois law, little of what we file during motion practice is recognized as a pleading. This technicality tends to become an issue when we file an objection and/or motion to strike the motion of a weak opponent.

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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;scienter&quot;.  I&#039;ve been practicing in teh securities fraud for 15 years and still don&#039;t get it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;scienter&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve been practicing in teh securities fraud for 15 years and still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prophylactic? That&#039;s an old name for a condom, isn&#039;t it?  ;)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prophylactic? That&#8217;s an old name for a condom, isn&#8217;t it?  <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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