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		<title>By: J. Smith Groupie</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54710</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Smith Groupie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Smith, marry me! :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Smith, marry me! <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J.Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54709</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also note:  People that are truly rich never talk about how much money they have.

Atty&#039;s that brag about where they went to law school usually lack any significant accomplishments, whereas those individuals that &quot;save the world&quot; so to speak, rarely mention where they went to school.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also note:  People that are truly rich never talk about how much money they have.</p>
<p>Atty&#8217;s that brag about where they went to law school usually lack any significant accomplishments, whereas those individuals that &#8220;save the world&#8221; so to speak, rarely mention where they went to school.</p>
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		<title>By: J.smith</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54708</link>
		<dc:creator>J.smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about law school rankings.... As a previous user stated, &quot;they are relatively meaningless and certainly pernicious in their influence, particularly in spreading the disease of a crudely simplistic form of economics through the academy, strangling funds to needy students, and herding graduates towards sweatshop firms.&quot;

For a moment consider those schools that refuse to rely heavily on LSAT scores to determine admission.  Many of these schools allow anyone in, and they matriculate out.  Over 20 years of data (in some instances) has shown that people with low LSAT scores who are in the top 10% of a class after their first year will usually remain there for the duration of their education.

Granted the LSAT is a prescreening method to aid admissions, but when you think about all of the time, money and sleepless nights wasted over something that is virtually irrelevant, there is only one true motive, dollar signs.  You need to sign up for the data service, you have to pay them to submit your apps, it&#039;s like they spent time figuring out how to nickel and dime people.  The sad part is that it&#039;s all electronic, and it costs relatively nothing to maintain.

Moreover, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if USNWR allows schools to bid on their placement within their annual publication.  Think about it, Georgetown receives more money in application fees than they make in tuition for an entire class (this holds true with many T1, T2 and T3 schools).  It would be a wise business investment to influence USNWR&#039;s rankings in order to perk people&#039;s interests in applying.

In all, its extremely superficial and useless.  The only reason there is such a heavy emphasis on the LSAT, and USNWR&#039;s report is to help regulate the number of practicing atty&#039;s.  If everyone can be a lawyer, they&#039;ll flood the market, and you will have reduced what was once considered an elite profession to a blue collar job.  Any idiot can pass the bar, and in california you don&#039;t even need to graduate from a law program to take the bar.

Yet here we are arguing over the relevance of this garbage.  The most important question I have to ask people, mainly those practicing, &quot;How many clients have ever asked you where you graduated from?&quot;  - 0....  Lawyers solve people&#039;s problems, the client is only concerned with their problem and it is up to us to provide them with the best representation we possibly can.  I know many IVY league brats that can&#039;t walk and chew gum, but yet their parents generous endowment to the school prior to their admission is what got them in.  It doesn&#039;t matter that they don&#039;t understand simple procedure because they have a diploma that says YALE.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about law school rankings&#8230;. As a previous user stated, &#8220;they are relatively meaningless and certainly pernicious in their influence, particularly in spreading the disease of a crudely simplistic form of economics through the academy, strangling funds to needy students, and herding graduates towards sweatshop firms.&#8221;</p>
<p>For a moment consider those schools that refuse to rely heavily on LSAT scores to determine admission.  Many of these schools allow anyone in, and they matriculate out.  Over 20 years of data (in some instances) has shown that people with low LSAT scores who are in the top 10% of a class after their first year will usually remain there for the duration of their education.</p>
<p>Granted the LSAT is a prescreening method to aid admissions, but when you think about all of the time, money and sleepless nights wasted over something that is virtually irrelevant, there is only one true motive, dollar signs.  You need to sign up for the data service, you have to pay them to submit your apps, it&#8217;s like they spent time figuring out how to nickel and dime people.  The sad part is that it&#8217;s all electronic, and it costs relatively nothing to maintain.</p>
<p>Moreover, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if USNWR allows schools to bid on their placement within their annual publication.  Think about it, Georgetown receives more money in application fees than they make in tuition for an entire class (this holds true with many T1, T2 and T3 schools).  It would be a wise business investment to influence USNWR&#8217;s rankings in order to perk people&#8217;s interests in applying.</p>
<p>In all, its extremely superficial and useless.  The only reason there is such a heavy emphasis on the LSAT, and USNWR&#8217;s report is to help regulate the number of practicing atty&#8217;s.  If everyone can be a lawyer, they&#8217;ll flood the market, and you will have reduced what was once considered an elite profession to a blue collar job.  Any idiot can pass the bar, and in california you don&#8217;t even need to graduate from a law program to take the bar.</p>
<p>Yet here we are arguing over the relevance of this garbage.  The most important question I have to ask people, mainly those practicing, &#8220;How many clients have ever asked you where you graduated from?&#8221;  &#8211; 0&#8230;.  Lawyers solve people&#8217;s problems, the client is only concerned with their problem and it is up to us to provide them with the best representation we possibly can.  I know many IVY league brats that can&#8217;t walk and chew gum, but yet their parents generous endowment to the school prior to their admission is what got them in.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that they don&#8217;t understand simple procedure because they have a diploma that says YALE.</p>
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		<title>By: Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Morse, the law school rankings czar, spoke out yesterday about the rankings:

http://resipsablog.com/2008/04/12/the-law-school-rankings-czar-speaks-out/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Morse, the law school rankings czar, spoke out yesterday about the rankings:</p>
<p><a href="http://resipsablog.com/2008/04/12/the-law-school-rankings-czar-speaks-out/" rel="nofollow">http://resipsablog.com/2008/04/12/the-law-school-rankings-czar-speaks-out/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caltech does not, however, boast a law school.  Hopefully you were aware of that and this is just a failed attempt at humor.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caltech does not, however, boast a law school.  Hopefully you were aware of that and this is just a failed attempt at humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54705</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello?...Caltech?  Seriously, how does Caltech not get on here?  These rankings are a joke.  Caltech boasts top notch faculty and students.  Who is responsible for these flawed rankings!?!?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello?&#8230;Caltech?  Seriously, how does Caltech not get on here?  These rankings are a joke.  Caltech boasts top notch faculty and students.  Who is responsible for these flawed rankings!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: 超声波流量计</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54704</link>
		<dc:creator>超声波流量计</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to have the famous Google cookie and a Google account (such as GMail, Google Analytics, Google Calendar, etc.) so it identifies you. And it might just be a test, yes, but I bet it&#039;ll stick.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to have the famous Google cookie and a Google account (such as GMail, Google Analytics, Google Calendar, etc.) so it identifies you. And it might just be a test, yes, but I bet it&#8217;ll stick.</p>
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		<title>By: 网站推广</title>
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		<dc:creator>网站推广</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please correct the error in the form below, then press Post to post your comment.

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		<title>By: fsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>fsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;impossible

Princeton and M.I.T. are not even on the list!!&lt;/b&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>impossible</p>
<p>Princeton and M.I.T. are not even on the list!!</b></p>
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		<title>By: fsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>fsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;impossible

Princeton and M.I.T. are not even on the list!!&lt;/b&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>impossible</p>
<p>Princeton and M.I.T. are not even on the list!!</b></p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THESE ARE LAW SCHOOL RANKINGS!!!! To all who cannot get it through their thick heads that certain excellent schools are not on the list because they do not have law programs: do some research before posting!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THESE ARE LAW SCHOOL RANKINGS!!!! To all who cannot get it through their thick heads that certain excellent schools are not on the list because they do not have law programs: do some research before posting!</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/03/us_news_ranking.html/comment-page-1#comment-54699</link>
		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha... no? NYU in the top 5? princeton isn&#039;t even on there, neither is MIT, Caltech, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon

Washington and Lee is a liberal arts school and would not be ranked with universities

and michigan and berkeley ranked above duke, northwestern, etc? haha, what kind of methodology would lead to that.

don&#039;t post stuff like this, it&#039;s just irresponsible

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha&#8230; no? NYU in the top 5? princeton isn&#8217;t even on there, neither is MIT, Caltech, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon</p>
<p>Washington and Lee is a liberal arts school and would not be ranked with universities</p>
<p>and michigan and berkeley ranked above duke, northwestern, etc? haha, what kind of methodology would lead to that.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t post stuff like this, it&#8217;s just irresponsible</p>
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		<title>By: Jayant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago should outpace Columbia and NYU in a few years.  Faculty is top notch and most well reputed and grads are making a big impact worldwide.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago should outpace Columbia and NYU in a few years.  Faculty is top notch and most well reputed and grads are making a big impact worldwide.</p>
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		<title>By: USD Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>USD Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean:  The &quot;evening&quot; student status at USD simply means 6 less credits.  The &quot;evening&quot; students take day classes; the day students take evening classes.  There are 85 students in every class whether at 9:00am or 7:00pm consisting of both day and evening students.  In short, your &quot;word&quot; is incorrect.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean:  The &#8220;evening&#8221; student status at USD simply means 6 less credits.  The &#8220;evening&#8221; students take day classes; the day students take evening classes.  There are 85 students in every class whether at 9:00am or 7:00pm consisting of both day and evening students.  In short, your &#8220;word&#8221; is incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: CWR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CWR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, do these changes mean anything?  Did Pepperdine really improve their school that much?  What actually happened/changed to the schools to cause the big rises and drops?  My guess is very little, thus proving these rankings don&#039;t mean so much.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, do these changes mean anything?  Did Pepperdine really improve their school that much?  What actually happened/changed to the schools to cause the big rises and drops?  My guess is very little, thus proving these rankings don&#8217;t mean so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a St. John&#039;s (Queens, NY) grad, it&#039;s good to see the school move up to 70, although the rankings of the schools in the second tier (50-100) range seem to fluctuate like crazy every year, so it is unclear what this move up reflects.

If you look at the number of major firms which hold on-campus interviews at St. John&#039;s, compared to other schools in the second tier, it is almost surprising the school isn&#039;t ranked higher.  I have a lot of friends I graduated with who are working at major NYC firms.  And the school is doing all the right things in terms of expanding its course offerings.  For example, I took National Security and the Law (with Prof. Borgen, who I recommend highly) during 3L, and we had a drill in which we role-played as Defense Department employees in the aftermath of a hypothetical terror attack.

So while I would say that the rankings are kind of unpredictable, and shouldn&#039;t be used as your main factor in choosing a school, it wouldn&#039;t surprise me to see St. John&#039;s move up to somewhere in the 60&#039;s during the next few years.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a St. John&#8217;s (Queens, NY) grad, it&#8217;s good to see the school move up to 70, although the rankings of the schools in the second tier (50-100) range seem to fluctuate like crazy every year, so it is unclear what this move up reflects.</p>
<p>If you look at the number of major firms which hold on-campus interviews at St. John&#8217;s, compared to other schools in the second tier, it is almost surprising the school isn&#8217;t ranked higher.  I have a lot of friends I graduated with who are working at major NYC firms.  And the school is doing all the right things in terms of expanding its course offerings.  For example, I took National Security and the Law (with Prof. Borgen, who I recommend highly) during 3L, and we had a drill in which we role-played as Defense Department employees in the aftermath of a hypothetical terror attack.</p>
<p>So while I would say that the rankings are kind of unpredictable, and shouldn&#8217;t be used as your main factor in choosing a school, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me to see St. John&#8217;s move up to somewhere in the 60&#8217;s during the next few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The University of San Diego has an amazing faculty, and the student body is fantastic. Word has it the evening students are morons, but what the hell. The day students have a reputation for being really bright and really fun. The mediocre gpa and respectable lsat scores illustrate that point. The quality of life at the school has to be in the top 10 in the country. San Diego is easily the best place to live in the country. There&#039;s a reason everyone wants to be a summer associate with a San Diego firm. The school really belongs in the top 25-40... that said, the administration is clueless and the career services office is useless. One of the reasons for the drop is because the administration doesn&#039;t know how to manipulate the data like other schools do. Everyone plays the game... so it really shows the stupidity of the administration that they would allow a drop like this to occur. If there&#039;s a coup and the administration is overthrown, USD should skyrocket.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The University of San Diego has an amazing faculty, and the student body is fantastic. Word has it the evening students are morons, but what the hell. The day students have a reputation for being really bright and really fun. The mediocre gpa and respectable lsat scores illustrate that point. The quality of life at the school has to be in the top 10 in the country. San Diego is easily the best place to live in the country. There&#8217;s a reason everyone wants to be a summer associate with a San Diego firm. The school really belongs in the top 25-40&#8230; that said, the administration is clueless and the career services office is useless. One of the reasons for the drop is because the administration doesn&#8217;t know how to manipulate the data like other schools do. Everyone plays the game&#8230; so it really shows the stupidity of the administration that they would allow a drop like this to occur. If there&#8217;s a coup and the administration is overthrown, USD should skyrocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Jal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whooohoooo Pepperdine jumped up 21 spots! Tied with Loyola (CA), amazing. :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whooohoooo Pepperdine jumped up 21 spots! Tied with Loyola (CA), amazing. <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Southern Illinois?  They should crack the 2nd tier shortly due to their small class size and quality of faculty, in my opinion.

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		<title>By: steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I hope Neal *wasn&#039;t* kidding about MIT.  :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I hope Neal *wasn&#8217;t* kidding about MIT.  <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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