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		<title>By: theminde</title>
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		<dc:creator>theminde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Elizabeth I, Essex and Bacon.

Who wants to discuss evidence?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Elizabeth I, Essex and Bacon.</p>
<p>Who wants to discuss evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Terrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Terrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People always ignore the textual evidence in favour of Shakespeare. For example, he uses over 60 names of birds in his plays, often using the country names from his childhood, ie names that locals would know, but the likes of the Earl of Oxford would not.  This local knowledge applies to many other areas, for example, flowers, local words and phrases.

Or that Shakespeare&#039;s knowledge of the classics was weak, especially Greek, which ties into his education (which, incidentally there is little doubt - his father was entitled to educate for free his sons in the local grammar school)

Or that Shakespeare&#039;s knowledge of the classics matches that of the standard school text book of the time (which didn&#039;t match the University texts in all details) - matching the limit of Shakespeare&#039;s full time education.

Or that the plays are written by someone who understands the practicalities of the theatre, for example, knowing how to leave enough time for backstage actors to prepare for their next entrance or other aspects of stage craft. Non-acting writers had their play changed to make them &#039;fit&#039; the stage.

Shakespeare was mocked in his time for is LACK of knowledge and LACK of university education; his plays were considered poor by the educated playwrights.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always ignore the textual evidence in favour of Shakespeare. For example, he uses over 60 names of birds in his plays, often using the country names from his childhood, ie names that locals would know, but the likes of the Earl of Oxford would not.  This local knowledge applies to many other areas, for example, flowers, local words and phrases.</p>
<p>Or that Shakespeare&#8217;s knowledge of the classics was weak, especially Greek, which ties into his education (which, incidentally there is little doubt &#8211; his father was entitled to educate for free his sons in the local grammar school)</p>
<p>Or that Shakespeare&#8217;s knowledge of the classics matches that of the standard school text book of the time (which didn&#8217;t match the University texts in all details) &#8211; matching the limit of Shakespeare&#8217;s full time education.</p>
<p>Or that the plays are written by someone who understands the practicalities of the theatre, for example, knowing how to leave enough time for backstage actors to prepare for their next entrance or other aspects of stage craft. Non-acting writers had their play changed to make them &#8216;fit&#8217; the stage.</p>
<p>Shakespeare was mocked in his time for is LACK of knowledge and LACK of university education; his plays were considered poor by the educated playwrights.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Stritmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Stritmatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick S. O&#039;Donnell raises the natural question of how thinking of de Vere as the bard, even hypothetically, might enhance his understanding or enjoyment of the work. This is an excellent question that is best answered by engaging in a thought experiment. Pick up any one of the several recent books about de Vere&#039;s life in relation to the plays (Ogburn, Sobran, Anderson, they each have their strengths and weaknesses, although Anderson&#039;s is the most current and in some respects the most persuasive); spend an afternoon with it and then pick up your favorite play. If you don&#039;t begin to have a more intimate experience of the play -- realizing that, contrary to popular academic mythology, your play, like all the rest, is organically related to the real life of a real human being, whose experience, passions, suffering, and joy are inwoven into the text (which is always, in some way, telling his story, even while it is telling other stories), write to me and I&#039;ll buy back your copy of the book.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick S. O&#8217;Donnell raises the natural question of how thinking of de Vere as the bard, even hypothetically, might enhance his understanding or enjoyment of the work. This is an excellent question that is best answered by engaging in a thought experiment. Pick up any one of the several recent books about de Vere&#8217;s life in relation to the plays (Ogburn, Sobran, Anderson, they each have their strengths and weaknesses, although Anderson&#8217;s is the most current and in some respects the most persuasive); spend an afternoon with it and then pick up your favorite play. If you don&#8217;t begin to have a more intimate experience of the play &#8212; realizing that, contrary to popular academic mythology, your play, like all the rest, is organically related to the real life of a real human being, whose experience, passions, suffering, and joy are inwoven into the text (which is always, in some way, telling his story, even while it is telling other stories), write to me and I&#8217;ll buy back your copy of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doubtaboutwill.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Declaration of Reasonable Doubt About the Identity of William Shakespeare&lt;/a&gt;

And then sign!

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<p><a href="http://www.doubtaboutwill.org" rel="nofollow">The Declaration of Reasonable Doubt About the Identity of William Shakespeare</a></p>
<p>And then sign!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cossolotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Cossolotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who stoop to attacking Stratfordian skeptics as &quot;snobs&quot; or &quot;elitists&quot; should do a little research before casting aspersions.  Also, making such ad hominem attacks utterly fails to address the substance of the argument.  Even if all skeptics were in fact snobs (I&#039;m not sure how you&#039;d prove it), that simply is irrelevant.  A little refresher course in logic is in order.  Beyond the ad hominem issue, those throwing stones at the so-called snobs should be very careful.  Who in their right mind would accuse Mark Twain or Walt Whitman of being snobs?  Whitman was a great student of the Shakespeare works and he was one of the early skeptics.  He was firmly against the Stratford theory and thought the author must have come from the ranks of the &quot;wolfish earls&quot; in Queen Elizabeth&#039;s court.  Was he a snob because he read the works carefully and realized their author must have been an aristocrat?  Hardly.

For the record, I for one have no doubt at all that a &quot;commoner&quot; (like Ben Jonson) could write exceptionally well.  There are many excamples of this in history.  But Jonson&#039;s educational achievements are a matter of documentary record.  There is evidence of his advanced schooling.  The Stratfordian theory relies on a kind of &quot;immaculate genius&quot; miracle in which his wide and detailed erudition requires no documentatary evidence.  How and when did he acquire all of this knowledge?  It&#039;s one thing to be a gifted writer.  It&#039;s another thing to be able to read and write in Latin, French, Italian, etc.  Acquiring knowledge requires study.

The &quot;snob&quot; advocates misrepresent what skeptics are saying.  We&#039;re not saying the Stratford man COULD not be a great writer because he is a commoner from Stratford.  We&#039;re saying the Shakespeare works themselves display a level of knowledge about the classics, knowledge of languages, the law, noble pursuits, the inner workings of the court, foreign lands, etc. that their author MUST have had a very extensive education and wide experience.  There must be some kind of match between the works and the known biography.  A genius from Stratford would most likely have written a very different corpus of works with characters and themes more closely connected to the experience of a writer from Stratford.  For centuries scholars have labored to discover any linkages between the works and the known biography.  They often resort to wild conjecture and flights of imagination to fill in the gaps.  The enormous disconnect between what is known about the Stratfordian candidate&#039;s life and the works themselves is what drives the skeptism.  There is also the matter of no convincing, contemporaneous evidence that the Stratford man ever wrote anything in his life.  No letter in his hand survives, no marginalia in books, no manuscripts.  There&#039;s no evidence he even owned a book.  He didn&#039;t bother to teach his two daughters how to read.  The more you learn about the Stratford man&#039;s actual life, the more skeptical you&#039;re likely to become about his claim to authorship.  This isn&#039;t snobbery.  It&#039;s taking a hard look at the available evidence and reaching a rational conclusion based on the evidence.

Matthew Cossolotto

President

Shakespeare Oxford Society

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who stoop to attacking Stratfordian skeptics as &#8220;snobs&#8221; or &#8220;elitists&#8221; should do a little research before casting aspersions.  Also, making such ad hominem attacks utterly fails to address the substance of the argument.  Even if all skeptics were in fact snobs (I&#8217;m not sure how you&#8217;d prove it), that simply is irrelevant.  A little refresher course in logic is in order.  Beyond the ad hominem issue, those throwing stones at the so-called snobs should be very careful.  Who in their right mind would accuse Mark Twain or Walt Whitman of being snobs?  Whitman was a great student of the Shakespeare works and he was one of the early skeptics.  He was firmly against the Stratford theory and thought the author must have come from the ranks of the &#8220;wolfish earls&#8221; in Queen Elizabeth&#8217;s court.  Was he a snob because he read the works carefully and realized their author must have been an aristocrat?  Hardly.</p>
<p>For the record, I for one have no doubt at all that a &#8220;commoner&#8221; (like Ben Jonson) could write exceptionally well.  There are many excamples of this in history.  But Jonson&#8217;s educational achievements are a matter of documentary record.  There is evidence of his advanced schooling.  The Stratfordian theory relies on a kind of &#8220;immaculate genius&#8221; miracle in which his wide and detailed erudition requires no documentatary evidence.  How and when did he acquire all of this knowledge?  It&#8217;s one thing to be a gifted writer.  It&#8217;s another thing to be able to read and write in Latin, French, Italian, etc.  Acquiring knowledge requires study.</p>
<p>The &#8220;snob&#8221; advocates misrepresent what skeptics are saying.  We&#8217;re not saying the Stratford man COULD not be a great writer because he is a commoner from Stratford.  We&#8217;re saying the Shakespeare works themselves display a level of knowledge about the classics, knowledge of languages, the law, noble pursuits, the inner workings of the court, foreign lands, etc. that their author MUST have had a very extensive education and wide experience.  There must be some kind of match between the works and the known biography.  A genius from Stratford would most likely have written a very different corpus of works with characters and themes more closely connected to the experience of a writer from Stratford.  For centuries scholars have labored to discover any linkages between the works and the known biography.  They often resort to wild conjecture and flights of imagination to fill in the gaps.  The enormous disconnect between what is known about the Stratfordian candidate&#8217;s life and the works themselves is what drives the skeptism.  There is also the matter of no convincing, contemporaneous evidence that the Stratford man ever wrote anything in his life.  No letter in his hand survives, no marginalia in books, no manuscripts.  There&#8217;s no evidence he even owned a book.  He didn&#8217;t bother to teach his two daughters how to read.  The more you learn about the Stratford man&#8217;s actual life, the more skeptical you&#8217;re likely to become about his claim to authorship.  This isn&#8217;t snobbery.  It&#8217;s taking a hard look at the available evidence and reaching a rational conclusion based on the evidence.</p>
<p>Matthew Cossolotto</p>
<p>President</p>
<p>Shakespeare Oxford Society</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Cherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Dan&#039;s use of &quot;rehearses the doubts&quot; in the second paragraph.  Legalistic, indeed.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Dan&#8217;s use of &#8220;rehearses the doubts&#8221; in the second paragraph.  Legalistic, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: MLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie Boyle of Duke (of IP fame mostly) wrote a novel regarding this debate called the Shakespeare Chronicles.  Its an entertaining read, particularly for those of us who had him as a Prof.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie Boyle of Duke (of IP fame mostly) wrote a novel regarding this debate called the Shakespeare Chronicles.  Its an entertaining read, particularly for those of us who had him as a Prof.</p>
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		<title>By: lawrence malito</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawrence malito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The preponderant weight of evidence, both direct and circumstantial, points to one man, William Shakespeare of Stratford as the author of the plays. Please, you conspiracy theorists,get a life. I leave you with three words to sum up your argument: gobblydegook, claptrap, and balderdash!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The preponderant weight of evidence, both direct and circumstantial, points to one man, William Shakespeare of Stratford as the author of the plays. Please, you conspiracy theorists,get a life. I leave you with three words to sum up your argument: gobblydegook, claptrap, and balderdash!</p>
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		<title>By: lawrence malito</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawrence malito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The preponderant weight of evidence, both direct and circumstantial, points to one man, William Shakespeare of Stratford as the author of the plays. Please, you conspiracy theorists,get a life. I leave you with three words to sum up your argument: gobblydegook, claptrap, and balderdash!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The preponderant weight of evidence, both direct and circumstantial, points to one man, William Shakespeare of Stratford as the author of the plays. Please, you conspiracy theorists,get a life. I leave you with three words to sum up your argument: gobblydegook, claptrap, and balderdash!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick S. O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick S. O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know enough to have a strong opinion one way or the other on the matter, but can someone please tell me how does (if indeed it does) the debate or its (possible) resolution affect my reading and enjoyment of &quot;Shakespeare&#039;s&quot; works?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know enough to have a strong opinion one way or the other on the matter, but can someone please tell me how does (if indeed it does) the debate or its (possible) resolution affect my reading and enjoyment of &#8220;Shakespeare&#8217;s&#8221; works?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Delahoyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Delahoyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that Stritmatter meant &quot;populist&quot; in the sense that a wide range of doubters from all sorts of respectable walks of life have weighed in against the Stratfordian myth, incurring the wrath of an apoplectic elite: the academic fossils still sneering at the very suggestion that honest inquiry is to be tolerated.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that Stritmatter meant &#8220;populist&#8221; in the sense that a wide range of doubters from all sorts of respectable walks of life have weighed in against the Stratfordian myth, incurring the wrath of an apoplectic elite: the academic fossils still sneering at the very suggestion that honest inquiry is to be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In fact, the anti-Stratfordian argument... always has a strain of elitism to it.&quot;

That is not a fact at all.  Perhaps you are showing a bit of &quot;reverse snobbery&quot; here because every Oxfordian I know is aware that literary genius is not limited to aristocrats.  But we also know that this particular writer known as Shakespeare reveals enough of himself in his works to rule out Shakespeare of Stratford as the author.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, the anti-Stratfordian argument&#8230; always has a strain of elitism to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is not a fact at all.  Perhaps you are showing a bit of &#8220;reverse snobbery&#8221; here because every Oxfordian I know is aware that literary genius is not limited to aristocrats.  But we also know that this particular writer known as Shakespeare reveals enough of himself in his works to rule out Shakespeare of Stratford as the author.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Still</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Still</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stritmatter refers to &quot;populist resistance to the author from Stratford.&quot;  In fact, the anti-Stratfordian argument is far from &quot;populist.&quot;  It always has strain of elistism to it -- how could such genius come from someone so &lt;i&gt;common&lt;/i&gt;, they ask.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stritmatter refers to &#8220;populist resistance to the author from Stratford.&#8221;  In fact, the anti-Stratfordian argument is far from &#8220;populist.&#8221;  It always has strain of elistism to it &#8212; how could such genius come from someone so <i>common</i>, they ask.</p>
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