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		<title>By: Greg Lastowka</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/01/island_of_the_c.html/comment-page-1#comment-55531</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Lastowka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I briefly defend the ending here?

Yeah, the aliens are hokey.  Yes, the sentiment is Hallmark.  And yes, the whole thing offends logic.  Spielberg is pulling out all the stops, appending to the script just to get you to reach for the box of tissues.

But two things... 1) consider that *any* film you see about a &quot;real fictional person&quot; is a first-order simulacra.  Spielberg clearly gets this and is playing with its implications for a film about a simulated person.   2) Check out the Teddy Bear!  Spielberg understood the Teddy Bear as a foil to the artificial child -- he did some really nice things with that.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I briefly defend the ending here?</p>
<p>Yeah, the aliens are hokey.  Yes, the sentiment is Hallmark.  And yes, the whole thing offends logic.  Spielberg is pulling out all the stops, appending to the script just to get you to reach for the box of tissues.</p>
<p>But two things&#8230; 1) consider that *any* film you see about a &#8220;real fictional person&#8221; is a first-order simulacra.  Spielberg clearly gets this and is playing with its implications for a film about a simulated person.   2) Check out the Teddy Bear!  Spielberg understood the Teddy Bear as a foil to the artificial child &#8212; he did some really nice things with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lastowka</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/01/island_of_the_c.html/comment-page-1#comment-55530</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Lastowka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, your spam filter caught my last comment -- can someone approve it?  I want to be heard in defense of the movie.  :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, your spam filter caught my last comment &#8212; can someone approve it?  I want to be heard in defense of the movie.  <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Boyden</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/01/island_of_the_c.html/comment-page-1#comment-55529</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Boyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sort of between Nate and Frank on AI -- everything after he gets left in the woods sucks, and the ending made me ashamed to be a member of the same culture.

But the first bit was actually pretty good, until he leaves the house.  Chop it off at about 30 minutes, and it&#039;s a good short film.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sort of between Nate and Frank on AI &#8212; everything after he gets left in the woods sucks, and the ending made me ashamed to be a member of the same culture.</p>
<p>But the first bit was actually pretty good, until he leaves the house.  Chop it off at about 30 minutes, and it&#8217;s a good short film.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lastowka</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/01/island_of_the_c.html/comment-page-1#comment-55528</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Lastowka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If AI is about the &quot;decline of the studio system and the rise of superstar directors to power&quot; -- it&#039;s unusual because it&#039;s about the rise of *two* superstar directors (Kubrick and Spielberg), who had wildly divergent visions of how to make a film about a short story by Brian Aldiss.

More background here:

http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/06/29/artificial_intelligence/index.html

and too much on IMDB

http://poll.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/usercomments-index?

In short, Spielberg wanted to be honoring Kubrick who was translating Aldiss while still having a Spielberg vision -- in a way, the film is really about the *lack* of the vision of a single superstar director.

And that said, for me, the incoherence actually makes the film much better.  There&#039;s a whole lot of effort, by writers, actors, and directors, to put things into the film.  There&#039;s great stuff there that, yes, doesn&#039;t tie together, but is still great stuff.  The end is pure Spielberg while the plot is mostly Kubrick.

But at this point, the last thing I want from Hollywood is another clean consumer package with well-rounded edges where all the pieces fit.  I honestly like it better when Hollywood bites off more than it can chew.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If AI is about the &#8220;decline of the studio system and the rise of superstar directors to power&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s unusual because it&#8217;s about the rise of *two* superstar directors (Kubrick and Spielberg), who had wildly divergent visions of how to make a film about a short story by Brian Aldiss.</p>
<p>More background here:</p>
<p><a href="http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/06/29/artificial_intelligence/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/06/29/artificial_intelligence/index.html</a></p>
<p>and too much on IMDB</p>
<p><a href="http://poll.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/usercomments-index?" rel="nofollow">http://poll.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/usercomments-index?</a></p>
<p>In short, Spielberg wanted to be honoring Kubrick who was translating Aldiss while still having a Spielberg vision &#8212; in a way, the film is really about the *lack* of the vision of a single superstar director.</p>
<p>And that said, for me, the incoherence actually makes the film much better.  There&#8217;s a whole lot of effort, by writers, actors, and directors, to put things into the film.  There&#8217;s great stuff there that, yes, doesn&#8217;t tie together, but is still great stuff.  The end is pure Spielberg while the plot is mostly Kubrick.</p>
<p>But at this point, the last thing I want from Hollywood is another clean consumer package with well-rounded edges where all the pieces fit.  I honestly like it better when Hollywood bites off more than it can chew.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GL: Thanks for the link.  The &quot;mindlessness&quot; issue could get us pretty quickly into the counterideal of &quot;mindfulness&quot; from the Buddhist tradition...but I&#039;ll wait till the March window is over to get into that topic!  It deserves a hearing.

NO: Say it ain&#039;t so!  Yes, the last third is Hollywood pablum....I&#039;d go so far as to say a secular humanist vision of a tech utopia put in the place of traditional soteriology.  But the first parts are, I think, unusually sensitive portrayals of how technology can be misused.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GL: Thanks for the link.  The &#8220;mindlessness&#8221; issue could get us pretty quickly into the counterideal of &#8220;mindfulness&#8221; from the Buddhist tradition&#8230;but I&#8217;ll wait till the March window is over to get into that topic!  It deserves a hearing.</p>
<p>NO: Say it ain&#8217;t so!  Yes, the last third is Hollywood pablum&#8230;.I&#8217;d go so far as to say a secular humanist vision of a tech utopia put in the place of traditional soteriology.  But the first parts are, I think, unusually sensitive portrayals of how technology can be misused.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think that there &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; any fans of the movie AI.  I myself think of it as an instructive example of the havoc wrought by the decline of the studio system and the rise of superstar directors to power.  In an appropriately Stalinist corporate culture, such an enormously long and meandering mostrosity would have been left on the cutting room floor...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think that there <i>were</i> any fans of the movie AI.  I myself think of it as an instructive example of the havoc wrought by the decline of the studio system and the rise of superstar directors to power.  In an appropriately Stalinist corporate culture, such an enormously long and meandering mostrosity would have been left on the cutting room floor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lastowka</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/01/island_of_the_c.html/comment-page-1#comment-55525</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Lastowka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, there&#039;s a PDF here with an example of the research I&#039;m talking about:

http://ferdig.coe.ufl.edu/courses/eme6602/nassmoon00.pdf

Thought being: it may not be so much an intentional and mistaken ascription of agency to technology, but may instead be the working of a generally sensible heuristic.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, there&#8217;s a PDF here with an example of the research I&#8217;m talking about:</p>
<p><a href="http://ferdig.coe.ufl.edu/courses/eme6602/nassmoon00.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ferdig.coe.ufl.edu/courses/eme6602/nassmoon00.pdf</a></p>
<p>Thought being: it may not be so much an intentional and mistaken ascription of agency to technology, but may instead be the working of a generally sensible heuristic.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and maybe tech can be the answer, by connecting people better.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and maybe tech can be the answer, by connecting people better.</p>
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		<title>By: GTH</title>
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		<dc:creator>GTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turkle&#039;s life on the screen book is a better view of all this than the late stuff.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkle&#8217;s life on the screen book is a better view of all this than the late stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB: Ha!  Yes, perhaps it&#039;s not as serious as all that.

GL: I look forward to the mindlessness research.  As for the baseline: yes, perhaps ala Benkler we&#039;re better off as creators of culture (even dreck culture) than solely consumers of it.  As for you last point...that&#039;s the hardest.  Perhaps only a committed band of technology users can resist tech-hegemony!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB: Ha!  Yes, perhaps it&#8217;s not as serious as all that.</p>
<p>GL: I look forward to the mindlessness research.  As for the baseline: yes, perhaps ala Benkler we&#8217;re better off as creators of culture (even dreck culture) than solely consumers of it.  As for you last point&#8230;that&#8217;s the hardest.  Perhaps only a committed band of technology users can resist tech-hegemony!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Boyden</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/01/island_of_the_c.html/comment-page-1#comment-55521</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Boyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My preferred take on this issue is from ScrappleFace:

&quot;Study: Family, Friends Reduce Quality Internet Time&quot;

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=1739

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My preferred take on this issue is from ScrappleFace:</p>
<p>&#8220;Study: Family, Friends Reduce Quality Internet Time&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=1739" rel="nofollow">http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=1739</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lastowka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Lastowka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Frank --

Just a note: this is the second time Co-Op has had a post on Turkle and AI.  But I didn&#039;t get any comments!  :-)

http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/12/aibos_as_test_o.html

But you&#039;ve got me interested, so here&#039;s my 2 cents.

1 cent: Turkle is right to be concerned about the way AI interactions displace/modify human interactions.  Actually, there are some studies on the cognitive science of &quot;mindlessness&quot; that suggest that the effects of this kind of animistic confusion might go deeper than technologies of AI or simulated creatures.

2 cent: Re the blackberries and all, I don&#039;t know.  People have made this pitch before.  Remember Clifford Stoll and Silicon Snake Oil?  I&#039;m pretty sure people said the same things about the telephone.  I think there&#039;s some substance there, but there are limits to how far you can take the criticism, even in the case of contemporary technologies.

E.g. If you&#039;ve got people watching TV 20 hours a week, are they better or worse off if they are socializing online for those 20 hours?

Some thoughts here:

http://www.physorg.com/news75042110.html

You might say it would be better if they were socializing face to face for those 20 hours.  And I might agree with you... if I weren&#039;t commenting on your blog post!!!  :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Frank &#8211;</p>
<p>Just a note: this is the second time Co-Op has had a post on Turkle and AI.  But I didn&#8217;t get any comments!  <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/12/aibos_as_test_o.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/12/aibos_as_test_o.html</a></p>
<p>But you&#8217;ve got me interested, so here&#8217;s my 2 cents.</p>
<p>1 cent: Turkle is right to be concerned about the way AI interactions displace/modify human interactions.  Actually, there are some studies on the cognitive science of &#8220;mindlessness&#8221; that suggest that the effects of this kind of animistic confusion might go deeper than technologies of AI or simulated creatures.</p>
<p>2 cent: Re the blackberries and all, I don&#8217;t know.  People have made this pitch before.  Remember Clifford Stoll and Silicon Snake Oil?  I&#8217;m pretty sure people said the same things about the telephone.  I think there&#8217;s some substance there, but there are limits to how far you can take the criticism, even in the case of contemporary technologies.</p>
<p>E.g. If you&#8217;ve got people watching TV 20 hours a week, are they better or worse off if they are socializing online for those 20 hours?</p>
<p>Some thoughts here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.physorg.com/news75042110.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news75042110.html</a></p>
<p>You might say it would be better if they were socializing face to face for those 20 hours.  And I might agree with you&#8230; if I weren&#8217;t commenting on your blog post!!!  <img src='http://www.concurringopinions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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