Comments on: NRO and the First Amendment

By: Maryland Conservatarian

Maryland Conservatarian — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:53:25 +0000

…and Andrew shows that he probably never reads NRO as many of the posters there have been relentless in their criticisms of our current president.

and to follow up what KipEsq says – of all the current Justices, Clarence Thomas is probably the closest to all free speech, all the time…I know that doesn’t add much but the games still on and I enjoy giving my favorite Justice a shout-out at every opportunity.

By: P.S. Ruckman, Jr.

P.S. Ruckman, Jr. — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:17:43 +0000

Thanks for the clarification. That is interesting stuff.

best,

By: Heidi Kitrosser

Heidi Kitrosser — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:27:00 +0000

PSR: You’re right that Blackstone, just like the 1798 A & S Act’s framers, spoke of the harm that political speech can cause. But the question is whether the political branches are given free reign to define (and then sanction) “harmful” speech, or whether the judiciary will carefully scrutinize such judgments (as in the modern case law, e.g., NYT v. Sullivan; Brandenburg). Blackstone effectively sided with the former, explaining that the political branches can punish even truthful political speech if they deem it “offensive” and at odds with “peace and good order.” That’s where his P.R. point came in — he said that “liberty of the press” protects such speech against prior restraint, not against free reign to punish after the fact.

By: P.S. Ruckman, Jr.

P.S. Ruckman, Jr. — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:52:08 +0000

Help me out with Blackstone’s position … I am aware that he opposed prior restraints, but didn’t he think subsequent punishment should only be the result of a finding of harmful consequence? So, merely saying something would not have been enough for an arrest. Right? No?

best,

By: Heidi Kitrosser

Heidi Kitrosser — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:36:36 +0000

Just to elaborate a bit on Andrew’s comments — the unfortunate “prior restraint only” argument first took hold as a Federalist argument in favor of the 1798 Alien & Sedition Act. The flimsy basis for the argument was that the 1st Am. incorporated William Blackstone’s understanding of free speech as only protecting against P.R.s. The core problem with this argument is that there’s no reason to think that the framers intended to incorporate only Blackstone’s limited view, and many reasons to think to the contrary. But somehow that 1798 argument resurfaces from time to time, including in Supreme Court opinions. (I believe, for example, in Near v. Minnesota) Of course, the Court in other cases explicitly rejects this view of history, but the citations, of course, live on and resurface from time to time, much like Freddy and Jason in the movies …

By: KipEsquire

KipEsquire — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:06 +0000

Or it could be the Borkian fallacy that freedom of speech applies only to purely political speech, and that all other forms of speech — including commercial, artistic and (arguably) “seditious” speech — enjoy no First Amendment protection of any kind.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:46:09 +0000

One need not reverse incorporation to gut freedom of speech. Some scholars believe the First Amendment was originally was read to apply only to prior restraint. Under that version of the “original understanding,” the radical mullah would be free to preach murder, but as soon as he did, Gingrich and the feds could swoop down on him.

This reading has been universally repudiated since Jefferson and the reaction to the debacle of the Sedition Act of 1798. One could see the NRO folks favoring making it illegal to “write, print, utter, or publish” anything critical of the President–as long as his (or her) name isn’t Clinton.