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	<title>Comments on: Law School Teaching: Paternalism or &#8220;Live and Let Live&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: NJLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former teacher, and current law student, I wholeheartedly agree with the statement that &quot;diligence must be generated internally.&quot;  However, it is also incredibly frustrating, and wasteful of precious time, when what might otherwise be an engaging, fluid discussion is stopped dead in its tracks when a student (often many more in the 2L and 3L years) elect to &quot;pass&quot; or are &quot;unprepared.&quot;

The intimidation approach is arguably inappropriate when dealing with graduate level students, yet, something needs to be done to protect the valuable time of other (prepared)   students the classroom. Negative discretion might be useful -- but for students that are chronically underprepared, a lower grade is of little import.    As for the on-deck circle, I think it is a a good compromise, and reinforces principles of resposibility and mutual respect.  Some form of peer-pressure would likely be most effective. The notion that to be unprepared is simply unacceptable must be a sine quo non of the law school classroom.  One professor of mine granted positive and negative discretion, but permitted any student to notify him before class (without any negative consequences) if he/she was unprepared.  This protected the vitality of discussions, expressed a respect for professor and student, and helped to create a rigorous learning environment where students expected much from each other and our professor.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former teacher, and current law student, I wholeheartedly agree with the statement that &#8220;diligence must be generated internally.&#8221;  However, it is also incredibly frustrating, and wasteful of precious time, when what might otherwise be an engaging, fluid discussion is stopped dead in its tracks when a student (often many more in the 2L and 3L years) elect to &#8220;pass&#8221; or are &#8220;unprepared.&#8221;</p>
<p>The intimidation approach is arguably inappropriate when dealing with graduate level students, yet, something needs to be done to protect the valuable time of other (prepared)   students the classroom. Negative discretion might be useful &#8212; but for students that are chronically underprepared, a lower grade is of little import.    As for the on-deck circle, I think it is a a good compromise, and reinforces principles of resposibility and mutual respect.  Some form of peer-pressure would likely be most effective. The notion that to be unprepared is simply unacceptable must be a sine quo non of the law school classroom.  One professor of mine granted positive and negative discretion, but permitted any student to notify him before class (without any negative consequences) if he/she was unprepared.  This protected the vitality of discussions, expressed a respect for professor and student, and helped to create a rigorous learning environment where students expected much from each other and our professor.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick S. O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick S. O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The role of the teacher in modeling proper behavior, as a compelling figure for emulation, is the pivot on which everything turns in Confucian pedagogy. It also is in keeping with the manner in which we learn from infancy onwards. However, as Derek Smelser reminds us in The Act of Thinking (2004), such emulative modeling is not a one-way street, being what he terms &#039;educative concerting:&#039; &#039;The best way to get another person to attempt to perform the action in question is to demonstrate it and invite him to join you in a concerted performance of it. The demonstrator can then best assist the pupil by making demonstrations of actions, ostentations, inviting, unambiguous, detailed, patient and repetitious, so as to best exploit the pupil&#039;s desire to engage in concerted activity.&#039; The Socratic dialogues finds Socrates engaged with his interlocutors in the agora, essentially modeling for them the sort of thinking and behavior necessary to appreciate the manner in which images, intuition, and propositional thinking are bound up with non-propositional thought. With Socrates, emulation and imitation (mimesis) are hand-in-hand, for &#039;In formulating, examining, and refuting distinct definitions [for instance] of virtue reference must constantly be made, at least implicitly, to persons or actions that exhibit virtue. [....] In seeking to understand a nature that transcends its sensible images, Socrates&#039; dialectic must always start with these images and return to them. It is grounded in the concrete world of experience even if its vision is drected elsewhere.&#039; [....] Plato chose to communicate the truths of philosophy by imitating the process of philosophizing. Therefore, this process (dialectic) not only employs imitation, but is itself an object of imitation.&#039; (Francisco J. Gonzalez, Dialectic and Dialogue: Plato&#039;s Practice of Philosophical Inquiry, 1998).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The role of the teacher in modeling proper behavior, as a compelling figure for emulation, is the pivot on which everything turns in Confucian pedagogy. It also is in keeping with the manner in which we learn from infancy onwards. However, as Derek Smelser reminds us in The Act of Thinking (2004), such emulative modeling is not a one-way street, being what he terms &#8216;educative concerting:&#8217; &#8216;The best way to get another person to attempt to perform the action in question is to demonstrate it and invite him to join you in a concerted performance of it. The demonstrator can then best assist the pupil by making demonstrations of actions, ostentations, inviting, unambiguous, detailed, patient and repetitious, so as to best exploit the pupil&#8217;s desire to engage in concerted activity.&#8217; The Socratic dialogues finds Socrates engaged with his interlocutors in the agora, essentially modeling for them the sort of thinking and behavior necessary to appreciate the manner in which images, intuition, and propositional thinking are bound up with non-propositional thought. With Socrates, emulation and imitation (mimesis) are hand-in-hand, for &#8216;In formulating, examining, and refuting distinct definitions [for instance] of virtue reference must constantly be made, at least implicitly, to persons or actions that exhibit virtue. [....] In seeking to understand a nature that transcends its sensible images, Socrates&#8217; dialectic must always start with these images and return to them. It is grounded in the concrete world of experience even if its vision is drected elsewhere.&#8217; [....] Plato chose to communicate the truths of philosophy by imitating the process of philosophizing. Therefore, this process (dialectic) not only employs imitation, but is itself an object of imitation.&#8217; (Francisco J. Gonzalez, Dialectic and Dialogue: Plato&#8217;s Practice of Philosophical Inquiry, 1998).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 01:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, Dan.  Ultimately, I think we do a lot of teaching simply by modeling behavior, and I think there&#039;s pedagogical value to your approach.  Eric.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Dan.  Ultimately, I think we do a lot of teaching simply by modeling behavior, and I think there&#8217;s pedagogical value to your approach.  Eric.</p>
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