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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F. R. Evid. 411 precludes the consideration of insurance by the judge or jury.  The jury won&#039;t know about insurance, and the judge might not either.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F. R. Evid. 411 precludes the consideration of insurance by the judge or jury.  The jury won&#8217;t know about insurance, and the judge might not either.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate,

That&#039;s a good point.  Although I still think that evidence of awareness of illegality would help the plaintiff&#039;s case-in-chief in a civil action.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good point.  Although I still think that evidence of awareness of illegality would help the plaintiff&#8217;s case-in-chief in a civil action.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: My understanding is that qualified immunity is based on an objective test of whether or not the government actor violated clearly established federal law (that is not the right verbal formulation, but that is the gist of it) so I don&#039;t think that evidence of good faith matters one way or another.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: My understanding is that qualified immunity is based on an objective test of whether or not the government actor violated clearly established federal law (that is not the right verbal formulation, but that is the gist of it) so I don&#8217;t think that evidence of good faith matters one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul George Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul George Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were in these people&#039;s shoes I would not walk- I would run- to buy this insurance. The statement that &quot;you get the biggest law firm in the world to step in&quot; just isn&#039;t true, because your superiors will decide that not &quot;doing so is in the government&#039;s &#039;interest.&#039;&quot; The truth is that most of the time you will be sacrificed because your superiors are afraid that if they support you, they might look bad.

I know this because of what I saw a few years ago when I was a Deputy United States Marshal. In an eastern state near Washington, DC, a male and a female deputy were handling a prisoner in the marshals&#039; office. The  prisoner, handcuffed, got his arms around the male deputy&#039;s neck from the rear, with the handcuff chain cutting into the deputy&#039;s throat, which would have killed the deputy in moments. The female, to save her parner&#039;s life, shot the felon, a vicious thug who had killed other police officers and was a high escape risk.

I&#039;m a big guy, 6&#039;3&quot; and about 250 lbs, trained in hand-to-hand combat in the Marine Corps, as well as Federal Protective Service Police Academy, and CFLETC, the Marshals&#039; academy, and if I were there, I would have had to do the same, as there is no way to quickly pull someone off when he has his handcuffed arms around someone&#039;s neck from the rear.

Based on my forty-odd years of military and police experience, I am sure that the shooting was completely justified. That deputy was moments from death. Yet neither the Marshals Service nor the US Department of Justice of which it is a part would do a thing to help or defend the deputy who saved her partner&#039;s life. She was suspended without pay,  had to hire her own attorney- and pay attorney&#039;s fees out of her own pocket. Even though she was cleared by an internal investigation, it was only after she was completely cleared at the coroner&#039;s inquest and her lawyer pressed the issue was she offered her job back.

Will Department of Justice lawyers defend employees? Yes, if you are a high level and politically connected bureaucrat. But the regular field troops? Not until hell freezes over!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were in these people&#8217;s shoes I would not walk- I would run- to buy this insurance. The statement that &#8220;you get the biggest law firm in the world to step in&#8221; just isn&#8217;t true, because your superiors will decide that not &#8220;doing so is in the government&#8217;s &#8216;interest.&#8217;&#8221; The truth is that most of the time you will be sacrificed because your superiors are afraid that if they support you, they might look bad.</p>
<p>I know this because of what I saw a few years ago when I was a Deputy United States Marshal. In an eastern state near Washington, DC, a male and a female deputy were handling a prisoner in the marshals&#8217; office. The  prisoner, handcuffed, got his arms around the male deputy&#8217;s neck from the rear, with the handcuff chain cutting into the deputy&#8217;s throat, which would have killed the deputy in moments. The female, to save her parner&#8217;s life, shot the felon, a vicious thug who had killed other police officers and was a high escape risk.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big guy, 6&#8217;3&#8243; and about 250 lbs, trained in hand-to-hand combat in the Marine Corps, as well as Federal Protective Service Police Academy, and CFLETC, the Marshals&#8217; academy, and if I were there, I would have had to do the same, as there is no way to quickly pull someone off when he has his handcuffed arms around someone&#8217;s neck from the rear.</p>
<p>Based on my forty-odd years of military and police experience, I am sure that the shooting was completely justified. That deputy was moments from death. Yet neither the Marshals Service nor the US Department of Justice of which it is a part would do a thing to help or defend the deputy who saved her partner&#8217;s life. She was suspended without pay,  had to hire her own attorney- and pay attorney&#8217;s fees out of her own pocket. Even though she was cleared by an internal investigation, it was only after she was completely cleared at the coroner&#8217;s inquest and her lawyer pressed the issue was she offered her job back.</p>
<p>Will Department of Justice lawyers defend employees? Yes, if you are a high level and politically connected bureaucrat. But the regular field troops? Not until hell freezes over!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, my sense was that the policy of most states was that a general commercial liability policy could not insure against intentional torts.  But I have no idea if that principle applies to government actions.  PEter Schuck&#039;s book Suing Government may have some answers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, my sense was that the policy of most states was that a general commercial liability policy could not insure against intentional torts.  But I have no idea if that principle applies to government actions.  PEter Schuck&#8217;s book Suing Government may have some answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: Say a police officer destroys someone&#039;s front door when conducting an illegal search.  Immunity doesn&#039;t apply.  Who can I sue for the door?  Does it come out of the cop&#039;s pocket, or do all cops have some sort of government &quot;oops&quot; insurance?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: Say a police officer destroys someone&#8217;s front door when conducting an illegal search.  Immunity doesn&#8217;t apply.  Who can I sue for the door?  Does it come out of the cop&#8217;s pocket, or do all cops have some sort of government &#8220;oops&#8221; insurance?</p>
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