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	<title>Comments on: The U.N. Human Rights Commissioner Who Cried Wolf</title>
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		<title>By: Roger Alford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Alford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

My thoughts on Arbour&#039;s statement are now posted over at Opinio Juris.  Details &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opiniojuris.org/posts/1153471892.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Roger Alford

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>My thoughts on Arbour&#8217;s statement are now posted over at Opinio Juris.  Details <a href="http://www.opiniojuris.org/posts/1153471892.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Roger Alford</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Author Update.

Am confused myself: diplomatically, a war must in fact be &quot;declared.&quot;  But if it walks and looks like a duck, isn&#039;t it a duck?  How else do you describe the events in the region?

War, in fact, is being engaged in for some of the actors ... the lesser of the two Islamic jihads (the larger being an internal, personal struggle with the self and temptations, behaviors), the military jihad, is evidenced by the self-annihilatory acts that have occurred.  So perhaps the UN is recognizing that &quot;their&quot; (read: Western) definition of war can/should be broadened to include this lesser jihad?

In which case, the Commissioner&#039;s comments are not premature, but in fact quite sophisticated and cosmopolitan.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Author Update.</p>
<p>Am confused myself: diplomatically, a war must in fact be &#8220;declared.&#8221;  But if it walks and looks like a duck, isn&#8217;t it a duck?  How else do you describe the events in the region?</p>
<p>War, in fact, is being engaged in for some of the actors &#8230; the lesser of the two Islamic jihads (the larger being an internal, personal struggle with the self and temptations, behaviors), the military jihad, is evidenced by the self-annihilatory acts that have occurred.  So perhaps the UN is recognizing that &#8220;their&#8221; (read: Western) definition of war can/should be broadened to include this lesser jihad?</p>
<p>In which case, the Commissioner&#8217;s comments are not premature, but in fact quite sophisticated and cosmopolitan.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...(Dylan at 1143)... as spoken by one who obviously has never lived in a war/conflict zone, or has had any piece of his national liberation threatened.

opposing arguments are rarely stupid; they focus on different facts and come from a different perspective.

your use of the quoted text could as easily be relied on to  persuade an individual engaged in military self-annihilatory acts (that which the Western media describes as &quot;jihad&quot;) to study carefully who is and who is not a military combatant.  would the argument be stupid, then?  who do you think the UN statement was in fact addressing?  only the sovereign actors?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;(Dylan at 1143)&#8230; as spoken by one who obviously has never lived in a war/conflict zone, or has had any piece of his national liberation threatened.</p>
<p>opposing arguments are rarely stupid; they focus on different facts and come from a different perspective.</p>
<p>your use of the quoted text could as easily be relied on to  persuade an individual engaged in military self-annihilatory acts (that which the Western media describes as &#8220;jihad&#8221;) to study carefully who is and who is not a military combatant.  would the argument be stupid, then?  who do you think the UN statement was in fact addressing?  only the sovereign actors?</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;International humanitarian law is clear on the &lt;b&gt;supreme&lt;/b&gt; obligation to protect civilians during hostilities.&quot;

This is just stupid, ignoring the question of whether &quot;humanitarian law,&quot; international or not, is of any relevance.

&quot;Similarly, the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians, is unjustifiable.&quot;

Alas, this goes beyond stupid to the willfully full of shit. When war is outlawed, I suppose only outlaws will be able to wage war. Good grief.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;International humanitarian law is clear on the <b>supreme</b> obligation to protect civilians during hostilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just stupid, ignoring the question of whether &#8220;humanitarian law,&#8221; international or not, is of any relevance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Similarly, the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians, is unjustifiable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alas, this goes beyond stupid to the willfully full of shit. When war is outlawed, I suppose only outlaws will be able to wage war. Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Western normative theory, Justum Bellum, has two components: the &quot;justness&quot; of waging a war, and then the &quot;just&quot; behavior within that war once waged.  Each component entails separate factors ... theoretical consensus includes that civilians/non-combatants are not to be included in the conflict as targets.

Islamic Jurisprudence has a similar (sp?) normative theory; it too, excludes civilians/non-combatants as targets.

As normative assertions, however, it is very easy to steamroll and manipulate these parameters.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Western normative theory, Justum Bellum, has two components: the &#8220;justness&#8221; of waging a war, and then the &#8220;just&#8221; behavior within that war once waged.  Each component entails separate factors &#8230; theoretical consensus includes that civilians/non-combatants are not to be included in the conflict as targets.</p>
<p>Islamic Jurisprudence has a similar (sp?) normative theory; it too, excludes civilians/non-combatants as targets.</p>
<p>As normative assertions, however, it is very easy to steamroll and manipulate these parameters.</p>
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