Comments on: Law’s Purple Majesty

By: wesley

wesley — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:38:06 +0000

The whole idea that a professional doctorate (e.g. J.D; M.D.) is somehow inferior to a research doctorate (e.g. PhD.) is laughable. A thesis is not required for a J.D.—just a TON of other writing that amounts to 3 theses. As for a J.D. requiring less coursework than a PhD.: more hogwash. It depends upon the schools involved. My law school required significantly more coursework than many universities require for a PhD. Also, PhD programs often allow some Masters coursework to be counted toward the PhD. As for a PhD being superior because it is a “research” doctorate: while it is true that stats classes & research methodology involve serious study, law school involves a “tad” of its own research which has been made revelation to virtually anyone who has been to law school. Anyone who thinks that law school generally involves less work than a PhD program (especially at an IHE such as Pepperdine) is simply deluded. Also, good law schools generally force many 1st year students out by making their programs extremely difficult. PhD programs rarely involve this “survival of the fittest” aspect. When I attended Pepperdine, we were given 1 summative exam at the end of each semester—that was it; that was our grade unless a prof. wanted to ream us a bit more for missing 1 or more of his classes.

By: Belle Lettre

Belle Lettre — Fri, 19 May 2006 10:17:11 +0000

I am having the hardest time explaining to people what my LLM progam signifies. They (especially the dentist siblings who are called “Dr.”) ask “But don’t you have a doctorate already? Why are you getting a masters?” So I try to get around that by telling them my program is “post-doctoral,” something my dentist siblings and PhD friends can understand.

The problem is, law schools don’t refer to LLM and JSD degrees as “post-doctorate.” Most often, they are called “advanced law degrees,” which only makes sense to someone with a law degree. I’ve also seen “graduate programs,” which again makes people go “huh?” since they thought I already went to graduate school. So I’ve basically given up on trying to explain to people that yes, I technically have someting called a “juris doctorate,” and no, it was not a terminal degree and yes, I am getting a masters after I got my doctorate.

The hardest thing was trying to tell this to my parents, who don’t speak English and don’t really understand the legal education system. So trying to analogize what I’m trying to do to the French-influenced Vietnamse educational system was a fun challenge.

As Nate said, very confusing.

By: Nate Oman

Nate Oman — Thu, 18 May 2006 22:56:54 +0000

The real sartorial issue for JD’s is what kind of hat they get. Is a “juris doctorate” a “real” doctorate meaning that you get one of the soft, four cornered hats, or is a fake doctorate equivalent to a BA or an MA and therefore only entitled to a mortar board. Different schools have different policies. It is tricky for a number of reasons:

1. A JD is a “professional” degree so it seems less, well, academic than a Ph.D. (But cf. MD’s, who not only get the soft hat but get called “Doctor”.)

2. A JD does seem to stand between an MA and a Ph.D. in terms of course work. Most MA’s are one or two years of course work. Most Ph.D’s are four years of course work. A JD is 3 years, without any thesis-like writing requirement.

3. It is unclear if a JD is a terminal degree in law. After all, you can get a S.J.D. or an LLM. But both of these degrees actually involve less work than a JD. Very confusing.

By: Isaac Bowman

Isaac Bowman — Thu, 18 May 2006 21:57:36 +0000

The color purple, when used in clothing, has been associated with wealth since before the time of the Romans.

The dye that was used for the silk/cloth came from small sea creatures that lived in deep waters. Since there were no masks or breathing systems available it was a difficult and often dangerous trade. This meant the dye was very expensive and hard to come by.

I hadn’t thought about the legal reference before though. Thanks, Isaac

By: Seth R.

Seth R. — Thu, 18 May 2006 15:52:06 +0000

A couple decades ago, Professor Hugh Nibley caused quite a stir when he gave the opening prayer at Brigham Young University’s graduation commencement.

“Our Father in Heaven. We are gathered together here, clothed in the robes of a false priesthood…”

They didn’t ask him to pray the next year.

By: Belle Lettre

Belle Lettre — Thu, 18 May 2006 11:36:55 +0000

My sister is a dentist, and when she graduated her trim was lilac–which is just a paler shade of purple. So what’s up with that? Are they kind of lowlier agents of the sovereign? Maybe now I have bragging rights. Either way, it beats B-school “drab.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_regalia