Home | About | RSS Feed | Contact and Publicity Guidelines | Comment Policy the Law, the Universe, and Everything 


advertise-here4


Slip Opinions


Most under-appreciated thing about Warren Buffett: he built Berkshire to last well beyond him.  (LAC, at BRK annual meeting via Motley Fool, here.)

University governance as a new topic of public discussion.

An unusual profile of Mary Anne Franks (kw)

Aggressive copyright litigation run amok. (fp)

USA Today's Matt Krantz quoting me on Warren Buffett joining Twitter.  (LAC)

Private prisons? Why, sure! What could possibly go wrong? (kw)

TNR profiles Susan Crawford (kw)

Berkshire Hathaway is bigger than Warren Buffett.  Manual of Ideas (LAC).

Guns don't shoot people, kitchen appliances shoot people (kw)

Via Glom, Sat Eve Post review of The Essays of Warren Buffett.


Our Podcast

Subscribe to Law Talk


  • Posts by Author

  • Categories

  • Archives


  • Recent Comments


    • Hawk Circle on Mr. Buffett Joins a Board

    • Shag from Brookline on National Referenda

    • PrometheeFeu on Tumblr, Porn, and Internet Intermediaries

    • Kyle on Contract Evolution

    • Bruce Boyden on Tumblr, Porn, and Internet Intermediaries

    • Orin Kerr on The Varying Use of Legal Scholarship by the U.S. Supreme Court across Issues

    • Guy Spier on Symposium Redux: Essays and Lessons

    • John Mihaljevic on Is Berkshire Hathaway Really a Psychology Experiment?

    • Sy Lorne on The Many Audiences of Buffett's Letters

    • Lawrence Cunningham on The Skeptical Principal

    • Lawrence Cunningham on Berkshire's Dividend Policy: Part II

    • Lawrence Cunningham on The Many Audiences of Buffett's Letters

    • Lawrence Cunningham on Deals without Bankers: Salomon and Benjamin Moore

    • Brett Bellmore on National Referenda

    • Gerard Magliocca on National Referenda
  •  

    Site Meter

    About the Blog

    Concurring Opinions is a multiple authored, general interest legal blog.

    (Image: Wikicommons)

Moussaoui and the Government Litigator

posted by David Zaring

I don’t claim insight on the criminal laws involving terrorism. But terrorists prosecutions, as far as I can tell, tend to reveal that terrorists, or at least the ones who hope to attack America, don’t exactly operate like SPECTRE does in the movies. The massive government effort against them accordingly tends to look unbalanced, a major bureaucratic initiative against a tiny number of marginal outcasts who live in a twisted fantasyland. It’s Max Weber against a particularly vile Charles Bukowski novel.

This may be appropriate criminal law enforcement. But in the Moussaoui case, it has made for a very weird trial, where an unhinged defendant has been paired with a well-resourced and experienced team of defense lawyers. To push the analogy some more, it’s Weberian order against the half-crazy and half-slick. The trial only got weirder when a TSA lawyer helping out on the case got much of the government’s sentencing phase evidence suppressed by prepping a number of witnesses.

I do know something about civil litigation on behalf of the government, but criminal law must be very different. Here’s my takeaway on what the TSA lawyer did:

- she appears to have violated a court order relating to witness prep by emailing a transcript of the opening statement to witnesses, and by briefly summarizing the testimony of another government witness.

- having an agency lawyer advise agency witnesses on the government’s theory of the case and on what they should expect when they go in to testify in court is, as a general matter, essential to government litigation (unproblematically, in my view, this lawyer also theorized about the kinds of questions defense counsel would ask and suggested how to handle them). In fact, I can’t imagine any person going to testify in any civil case without checking with their in-house counsel in this way first. Others disagree.

- I’m surprised that the prosecutors the TSA lawyer was trying to help called her witness prep “reprehensible” and “unfathomable.” Those words will appear in every defense brief related to this issue.

- I recommend sympathy for the bureaucrat; this lawyer’s career is over, there’s talk of not just disbarment, but jail time, she’s been sold out by her co-counsel (and rather incompetently, might I add), the judge seems eager to make her a whipping boy, the case has been affected, and all of this is because she tried to keep her clients informed, through hardly unprecedented short cuts like emailing them all at once and attaching pleadings and other publicly available court documents. She was trying to do her job, but by God, she won’t get to do it any more.

It’s all made a circus even circusier. So here’s my final, larger point: no wonder the government doesn’t want to put the Guantanamo detainees through a similar sort of public process. I doubt that prosecutors and other law enforcement officials relish the prospect of hundreds of wild-eyed Moussaouis getting sophisticated defense teams and some form of public process – and creating hundreds of opportunities for prosecutorial mistakes along the way.


 March 16, 2006 at 1:40 am   Posted in: Privacy (National Security)   Print This Post Print This Post

Responses (11)

  1. Bruce - March 16, 2006 at 2:54 am

    It gets worse: the prosecutors are now calling her behavior “apparently criminal.”

    I’ll defer to you on what’s normal for agency counsel, but you’re saying it’s OK for a government lawyer to tell an agency witness what facts the witness should testify to? That was the impression I got from the e-mail quoted in the Post.

  2. M. Sean Fosmire - March 16, 2006 at 8:09 am

    You’re right. Witness preparation is a standard and accepted practice, and it is unfortunate that the general public will now get the impression that it is somehow sinister.

    What appears to be the reason that it is a problem here is that the judge issued an order prohibiting any communication to witnesses of certain things, as a kind of super-sequestration order. Perhaps that is common or at least legitimate in criminal prosecutions.

  3. David Zaring - March 16, 2006 at 8:17 am

    Saw that “apparently criminal” bit – I put it down to Stockholm Syndrome: in infinitely long trials, you start to identify with your captor/judge, and the judge is acting like she’s really outraged about this stuff (again, to my surprise).

    Yeah, not being able to tell a third-party witness why they’re going to testify, what the law of the case is about, what the interests of the client are …. again, criminal law is a mystery, but isn’t that what lawyers do? What could be wrong with “the defense will exploit the fact that the FAA was not clued in to what was going on — you need to assert that we did not necessarily need to wait until we got all available information, that we acted independently, indeed, we had a statutory mandate, to follow up on any issue that we thought was a threat to civil aviation”? That sounds to me like advice and representing your client’s interests. My sense is that civil lawyers go much further in deposition prep. But what do I know?

  4. E - March 16, 2006 at 8:36 am

    no wonder the government doesn’t want to put the Guantanamo detainees through a similar sort of public process

    Yah, that Bill of Rights sure is a pain in the neck.

  5. Alice Ristroph - March 16, 2006 at 9:50 am

    The line between responsible witness “preparation” and unethical witness “coaching” may be a fine one. But it’s there, and I’ve never known any lawyer to deny its relevance. Witness sequestration is fairly common in criminal trials. In Texas, for example, either party can exclude witnesses from the courtroom by invoking what is known simply as “the Rule.” Here, the judge gave an order that witnesses not follow the trial by reading transcripts. It appears that Carla Martin emailed witnesses a trial transcript. The protests from both the “Weberian” prosecution and the “slick” defense team are not that puzzling.

    Still, I tend to agree that she’s a pitiable bureaucrat. She screwed up — badly. But her mistake doesn’t seem to warrant the sort of story that the NYT ran on her the other day, for which the Times apparently called former colleagues and even Martin’s mother to get as much dirt as possible.

  6. Christine - March 16, 2006 at 10:16 am

    I sympathize that her career is over, but she did violate a court order. Knowingly. To make sure that her agency didn’t look bad. She went beyond telling her employees to tell the truth and to expect certain kinds of questioning. I have talked to attorneys who defend persons in criminal trials against the federal government, and they think that Ms. Martin definitely crossed the line and that her actions almost rise to the level of justifying a mistrial. I don’t think mistrials will help future prosecutions against “wild eyed” defendants.

  7. Seth R. - March 16, 2006 at 12:32 pm

    I guess it’s just a sign of how polarized, jaded, and cynical I’ve become with this administration and all its underlings that my first reaction to the news of Ms. Martin being fingered with the blame for this incient was:

    How many days until the truth comes out that the ENTIRE prosecution team was complicit in the violations?

    Of course, I have no grounds for that statement other than the fact that the federal government just seems to be plain overreaching in everything else and it wouldn’t be much of a stretch for them to be overreaching here.

    That, and the fact that this prosecution team already jeopardized their case long before today’s news by engaging in inappropriate questioning at trial.

    Anyway, I’m skeptical that Ms. Martin was the only screw-up in this trial. The word “scapegoat” comes to mind.

  8. Bruce - March 16, 2006 at 12:34 pm

    “you need to assert that we did not necessarily need to wait until we got all available information, that we acted independently”

    What if the witness doesn’t actually believe that? Do they still “need to assert” it?

  9. David Zaring - March 16, 2006 at 4:26 pm

    Seth – I agree, but prosecutors may know more about getting around sequestration orders than civil litigators do when they prep witnesses. Alice, Christine – no question, she violated the letter of the court’s order – but the transcript emailed was of the opening statement, not of witness testimony (the brief review of an FBI agent’s testimony, however, that’s pretty sketchy), nor, I think would these FAA employees have been testifying about the same factual event (e.g., was the defendant in NYC on date blah). Bruce, if a witness is appearing as a representative of an agency, then I would have thought an agency lawyer could make sure that the employee’s understanding of agency policy was in fact consistent with said policy.

    Whew! That was fun!

  10. Bruce - March 16, 2006 at 5:38 pm

    The analogy, I suppose, is a 30(b)(6) deposition prepped by in-house counsel. The general counsel may be in just as good a position with respect to some “facts” as the witness. I don’t have a good sense of what the limits are in that case, having never participated in a 30(b)(6) depo, certainly not in-house.

    But is that how these witnesses were appearing — to testify to FAA policy? It looks different from the e-mails. It looks like she’s talking about facts that the witnesses, I would guess, know at least as much about as she does.

  11. David Zaring - March 17, 2006 at 9:15 am

    I think they would have testified to what the FCC would have done if they had known about M – so that seems emnployment capacity related to me.

Leave a Reply

Spam protection by WP Captcha-Free


  • « Previous post
  • Next post »

Authors

Daniel J. Solove
Kaimipono Wenger
Dave Hoffman
Frank Pasquale
Deven Desai
Danielle Citron
Lawrence Cunningham
Sarah Waldeck
Jaya Ramji-Nogales
Solangel Maldonado
Gerard Magliocca

Guests

Kelli A. Alces
Taunya Lovell Banks
Ryan Calo
Claire Hill
Jay Kesten
William McGeveran
Meredith Render
Aaron Saiger
David L. Schwartz
Olivier Sylvain
Charles K. Whitehead
Aaron Zelinsky


















Previous Guests

Michael Abramowicz
Michelle Adams
Robert Ahdieh
Marvin Ammori
Michelle Anderson
Laura Appleman
Derek Bambauer
Taunya Lovell Banks
Ann Bartow
Steven Bellovin
Adam Benforado
Gaia Bernstein
Francesca Bignami
Josh Blackman
Joseph Blocher
Jeremy Blumenthal
Kathleen Boozang
Bruce Boyden
Donald Braman
Khiara Bridges
Al Brophy
Neil H. Buchanan
Bill Burke-White
Scott Burris
Paul Butler
Ryan Calo
Naomi Cahn
Anupam Chander
Miriam Cherry
Jack Chin
Glenn Cohen
Gabriella Coleman
Jennifer Collins
Caroline Mala Corbin
Thomas Crocker
andré douglas pond cummings
Allison Danner
Laura DeNardis
Brannon Denning
Deven Desai
Mike Dimino
Mark Edwards
Maxine Eichner
Jessica Erickson
David Fagundes
Lisa Fairfax
Joshua Fairfield
Christine Haight Farley
Kim Ferzan
Dan Filler
Mary Anne Franks
Susan Freiwald
Michael Froomkin
Amanda Frost
Brian Frye
Timothy Glynn
Rachel Godsil
Eric Goldman
Kyle Graham
David Gray
Craig Green
Tristin Green
Jonathan Hafetz
Vivian E. Hamilton
Meredith Harbach
Michelle Harner
Angela Harris
Jeffrey Harrison
Hosea Harvey
Erica Hashimoto
Jennifer Hendricks
Carissa Hessick
Laura Heymann
Robert Hillman
Gilbert A. Holmes
Nicole Huberfeld
Christine Hurt
Darian Ibrahim
Sherrilyn Ifill
John Ip
Shavar Jeffries
Kevin Johnson
Kristin Johnson
Jeff Jonas
Courtney Joslin
Dan Kahan
Jeffrey Kahn
Brian Kalt
Sam Kamin
Michael Kang
Chimène Keitner
Alicia Kelly
Orin Kerr
Nancy Kim
Heidi Kitrosser
Adam Kolber
Russell Korobkin
Alex Kreit
Anita S. Krishnakumar
Susan Kuo
Greg Lastowka
Sarah Lawsky
Youngjae Lee
Margaret Lewis
Erik Lillquist
Jeff Lipshaw
Jonathan Lipson
Jacqueline Lipton
Matthew Lister
Joseph Liu
Michael Madison
Tayyab Mahmud
Kevin Noble Maillard
Solangel Maldonado
Jason Mazzone
Linda McClain
William McGeveran
Salil Mehra
Carrie Menkel-Meadow
Max Minzner
Viva Moffat
Scott Moss
Eric Muller
Janai Nelson
Jaya Ramji-Nogales
Helen Norton
Elizabeth Nowicki
Paul Ohm
Angela Onwuachi-Willing
David Opderback
David Orentlicher
Michael O'Shea
Kristen Osenga
Mary-Rose Papandrea
Rafael Pardo
Marcy Peek
Eduardo Peñalver
Robert Percival
Michael J. Pitts
Marc Poirier
David Post
Amanda Pustilnik
Shruti Rana
Geoffrey Rapp
William Reynolds
Neil Richards
Lori Ringhand
Alice Ristroph
Marc Roark
Brishen Rogers
Sasha Romanosky
Tuan Samahon
Susan Scafidi
David Schleicher
David Schraub
Paul Secunda
Lea Shaver
Jonathan Siegel
Jessica Silbey
Peter Smith
Judd Sneirson
Adam Steinman
Charles Sullivan
Rick Swedloff
Peter Swire
Olivier Sylvain
Steph Tai
Andrew Taslitz
Robert Tsai
Jenia Turner
Joseph Turow
Steve Vladeck
Ari Waldman
Spencer Weber Waller
Howard Wasserman
Melissa Waters
Elizabeth A. Wilson
Frank Wu
Alfred Yen
Corey Yung
David Zaring
Timothy Zick
Michael Zimmer
Jonathan Zittrain

Ownership

Concurring Opinions is a
general-interest legal blog
operated by Concurring
Opinions LLC, a Pennsylvania
Limited Liability Corporation.

Blogroll

Above the Law
Access to Justice
ACS Blog
Althouse
Balkinization
Becker-Posner Blog
BlackProf
BoingBoing
Chicago Law Faculty Blog
Conglomerate
CrimLaw
Crime & Federalism
CrimProf Blog
Crooked Timber
Derechoalderecho
Discourse.net
Dorf on Law
Election Law
Emergent Chaos
The Faculty Lounge
Feminist Law Profs
43(B)log
Freakonomics Blog
Freedom to Tinker
Google Blogoscoped
How Appealing
Ideoblog
Info/Law
Instapundit.com
Juris Novus
Jurisdynamics
Just Books
Law and Humanities Blog
Law and Letters
Law Librarian Blog
Legal Profession Blog
Legal Theory Blog
Legal Times Blog
Leiter Reports
Brian Leiter's Law School Reports
Lessig Blog
Madisonian Theory
Media Law Blog
Mirror of Justice
The Moderate Voice
National Security Advisors
Opinio Juris
Point of Law
PrawfsBlawg
Privacy and Security Training
ProfessorBainbridge.com
Property Prof Blog
Red Tape Chronicles
The Right Coast
Schneier on Security
SCOTUSBlog
Security Dilemmas
Sentencing Law and Policy
Simple Justice
Sivacracy.net
The Situationist
Susan Crawford
TalkLeft
Talking Points Memo
TaxProf Blog
TeachPrivacy Blog
Tech & Marketing Law
Truth on the Market
Volokh Conspiracy
WorkPlace Prof Blog
WSJ Law Blog
Wonkette
The Yin Blog


© Concurring Opinions

Powered by WordPress