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		<title>By: Angie Peraza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie Peraza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This explains why I have not been able to find anything regarding a bar review course for the Louisiana Bar.  I can assure you, that when Tulane and Loyola had their own bar reviews, the great majority of students opted to take the local bar reviews versus BAR/BRI or any of the other commercial reviews.  Louisiana&#039;s Bar Exam is uniques in that there are no &quot;multiple guess&quot; questions to be found in the entire exam.  Yes, believe it or not, this exam actually requires the taker to answer questions in essay format.

I can tell you one thing about BAR/BRI&#039;s deals, they are costing students lots more money than the local bars did... I am all for returning to competition.  I took the Florida Bar review with BAR/BRI and was not impressed by any means.  I actually stopped attending after the second week.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This explains why I have not been able to find anything regarding a bar review course for the Louisiana Bar.  I can assure you, that when Tulane and Loyola had their own bar reviews, the great majority of students opted to take the local bar reviews versus BAR/BRI or any of the other commercial reviews.  Louisiana&#8217;s Bar Exam is uniques in that there are no &#8220;multiple guess&#8221; questions to be found in the entire exam.  Yes, believe it or not, this exam actually requires the taker to answer questions in essay format.</p>
<p>I can tell you one thing about BAR/BRI&#8217;s deals, they are costing students lots more money than the local bars did&#8230; I am all for returning to competition.  I took the Florida Bar review with BAR/BRI and was not impressed by any means.  I actually stopped attending after the second week.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/12/the_return_of_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-61819</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the Kathleen Sullivan news, the big question is how much she&#039;ll end up paying for Bar/Bri.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the Kathleen Sullivan news, the big question is how much she&#8217;ll end up paying for Bar/Bri.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gowder</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/12/the_return_of_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-61818</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of bar exams, have you seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113374619258513723-lMyQjAxMDE1MzAzNDcwNDQ2Wj.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story?!&lt;/a&gt;  Kathleen Sullivan just failed the CA bar?!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of bar exams, have you seen <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113374619258513723-lMyQjAxMDE1MzAzNDcwNDQ2Wj.html" rel="nofollow">this story?!</a>  Kathleen Sullivan just failed the CA bar?!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It tells you that every current, recent, and future law student&#039;s parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, best friends, neighbors, garbage collectors, etc. have all decided to send the link to said law student.

And that ends up equaling a lot of emails...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It tells you that every current, recent, and future law student&#8217;s parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, best friends, neighbors, garbage collectors, etc. have all decided to send the link to said law student.</p>
<p>And that ends up equaling a lot of emails&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times asks:  Are lawyers being overbilled by test preparation services?

You would think this would prompt the average  reader to ask: who cares?  And yet this is one of the top emailed articles at the Times. What does that tell you?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times asks:  Are lawyers being overbilled by test preparation services?</p>
<p>You would think this would prompt the average  reader to ask: who cares?  And yet this is one of the top emailed articles at the Times. What does that tell you?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If BAR/BRI is doing an effective job of getting law graduates past the bar, are they really helped if it is shut down? ... I&#039;m willing to be overcharged a little for a system that works.&lt;/i&gt;

But the issue, as you well know, is this: Would BarBri be better if it had competition, or would a superior competitior had emerged absent BarBri&#039;s alleged anti-trust violations?  I don&#039;t know the answer, but there is at least some value in properly framing the dispute.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If BAR/BRI is doing an effective job of getting law graduates past the bar, are they really helped if it is shut down? &#8230; I&#8217;m willing to be overcharged a little for a system that works.</i></p>
<p>But the issue, as you well know, is this: Would BarBri be better if it had competition, or would a superior competitior had emerged absent BarBri&#8217;s alleged anti-trust violations?  I don&#8217;t know the answer, but there is at least some value in properly framing the dispute.</p>
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		<title>By: madisonian.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>madisonian.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Harm to Competition?&lt;/strong&gt;

Today&#8217;s New York Times contains this engaging story about an antitrust suit against the leading bar review course provider, BAR/BRI.  It&#8217;s worth a read.

UPDATE 1:  Ethan Leib, at Prawfsblawg, makes an intriguing point about a possible ups...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Harm to Competition?</strong></p>
<p>Today&#8217;s New York Times contains this engaging story about an antitrust suit against the leading bar review course provider, BAR/BRI.  It&#8217;s worth a read.</p>
<p>UPDATE 1:  Ethan Leib, at Prawfsblawg, makes an intriguing point about a possible ups&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Side note: but did anyone else feel that the article was written with a tone suggesting that the lawyer was an ambulance-chasing shyster that just happened to have stumbled (er, &quot;stumbled&quot; rather deliberately) upon a good case?

&lt;p&gt;

This may very well be the situation (the way he sought out the case made me cringe a little), but the article seemed to include several specific details about the lawyer to lead to that conclusion, like how widely he grinned after he talked about his case.  Details that I don&#039;t remember often hearing about other pending legal cases.  (Even in the NY Times...)  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Side note: but did anyone else feel that the article was written with a tone suggesting that the lawyer was an ambulance-chasing shyster that just happened to have stumbled (er, &#8220;stumbled&#8221; rather deliberately) upon a good case?</p>
<p>This may very well be the situation (the way he sought out the case made me cringe a little), but the article seemed to include several specific details about the lawyer to lead to that conclusion, like how widely he grinned after he talked about his case.  Details that I don&#8217;t remember often hearing about other pending legal cases.  (Even in the NY Times&#8230;)  </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. Solove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Solove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I argued extensively earlier this year, I believe that the Bar Exam should be abolished.  My &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogdenovo.org/archives/001022.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;guest post at De Novo&lt;/a&gt; explains my argument in detail. An excerpt:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s a brief listing of some of my arguments for abolishing the Bar Exam:

1. It doesn&#039;t test on the kinds of skills a good lawyer should have.

2. It often tests on obsolete legal rules.

3. The Bar Exam is largely a memory test, and memorizing legal rules is not something that most lawyers really need to do.

4. The Bar Exam often serves to inhibit practicing lawyers from moving readily from state to state. The investment in time to retake the Bar Exam can be too much for many if they are going to a state without reciprocity.

5. The Bar often weeds out people who don&#039;t have the money to take an expensive course like BarBri. Certainly, there are the unlucky folks who take BarBri and fail, but this does not frequently occur.

6. There is no need for lawyers to know much about a lot of Bar Exam subjects. Does a criminal lawyer need to know the rule against perpetuities?

7. The Bar consumes hours upon hours of time. This time could be used much more productively in ways that help out the community. Right now, time studying for the Bar is time that could be spent helping others or doing something more productive. The time taken to study for the Bar is wasted time, with little value to the person studying or to society.

8. Nobody really uses the rules as formulated on the Bar Exam. As I&#039;ve written elsewhere, if one practiced the criminal law on the Bar Exam, one would be disbarred!

9. As far as barriers to entry, the Bar Exam is not really necessary. Law school is a significant barrier to entry. It requires three long years of time, study, and money. In the end, it’s much easier to make it past one Bar Exam than through three years of law school.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stan Chess&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://lawschool.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lawschool.com&lt;/a&gt; has extensive coverage of the BarBri case.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I argued extensively earlier this year, I believe that the Bar Exam should be abolished.  My <a href="http://www.blogdenovo.org/archives/001022.html" rel="nofollow">guest post at De Novo</a> explains my argument in detail. An excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s a brief listing of some of my arguments for abolishing the Bar Exam:</p>
<p>1. It doesn&#8217;t test on the kinds of skills a good lawyer should have.</p>
<p>2. It often tests on obsolete legal rules.</p>
<p>3. The Bar Exam is largely a memory test, and memorizing legal rules is not something that most lawyers really need to do.</p>
<p>4. The Bar Exam often serves to inhibit practicing lawyers from moving readily from state to state. The investment in time to retake the Bar Exam can be too much for many if they are going to a state without reciprocity.</p>
<p>5. The Bar often weeds out people who don&#8217;t have the money to take an expensive course like BarBri. Certainly, there are the unlucky folks who take BarBri and fail, but this does not frequently occur.</p>
<p>6. There is no need for lawyers to know much about a lot of Bar Exam subjects. Does a criminal lawyer need to know the rule against perpetuities?</p>
<p>7. The Bar consumes hours upon hours of time. This time could be used much more productively in ways that help out the community. Right now, time studying for the Bar is time that could be spent helping others or doing something more productive. The time taken to study for the Bar is wasted time, with little value to the person studying or to society.</p>
<p>8. Nobody really uses the rules as formulated on the Bar Exam. As I&#8217;ve written elsewhere, if one practiced the criminal law on the Bar Exam, one would be disbarred!</p>
<p>9. As far as barriers to entry, the Bar Exam is not really necessary. Law school is a significant barrier to entry. It requires three long years of time, study, and money. In the end, it’s much easier to make it past one Bar Exam than through three years of law school.</p></blockquote>
<p>Stan Chess&#8217;s <a href="http://lawschool.com/" rel="nofollow">Lawschool.com</a> has extensive coverage of the BarBri case.</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the problem &lt;a href=&quot;http://kipesquire.powerblogs.com/posts/1114826860.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I have&lt;/a&gt; with this litigation:

Kaplan is owned by the Washington Post; BAR/BRI is owned by Thomson -- Canadian, incidentally. I&#039;m fairly confident that the Washington Post and Thomson could announce a merger agreement tomorrow and not a single antitrust regulator would bat an eyelash, rendering the Kaplan-BAR/BRI &quot;anticompetitive&quot; agreement moot. The parents could merge but the subsidiaries couldn&#039;t fashion a mutual non-compete agreement? That makes no sense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the problem <a href="http://kipesquire.powerblogs.com/posts/1114826860.shtml" rel="nofollow">I have</a> with this litigation:</p>
<p>Kaplan is owned by the Washington Post; BAR/BRI is owned by Thomson &#8212; Canadian, incidentally. I&#8217;m fairly confident that the Washington Post and Thomson could announce a merger agreement tomorrow and not a single antitrust regulator would bat an eyelash, rendering the Kaplan-BAR/BRI &#8220;anticompetitive&#8221; agreement moot. The parents could merge but the subsidiaries couldn&#8217;t fashion a mutual non-compete agreement? That makes no sense.</p>
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