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	<title>Comments on: New Phrases for the Ann Coulter Talking Doll?</title>
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		<title>By: Concurring Opinions</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/11/new_phrases_for.html/comment-page-1#comment-62302</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Call Parker Brothers!: Scenes from An Exciting Evening in Tuscaloosa&lt;/strong&gt;

Last night, a few colleagues were over at my place and we discussed the local gossip: the storm on campus over the sex column in our student newspaper, the Crimson-White, (which, btw, made the front page of the Tuscaloosa...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Call Parker Brothers!: Scenes from An Exciting Evening in Tuscaloosa</strong></p>
<p>Last night, a few colleagues were over at my place and we discussed the local gossip: the storm on campus over the sex column in our student newspaper, the Crimson-White, (which, btw, made the front page of the Tuscaloosa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Concurring Opinions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ann Coulter: Come to Tuscaloosa&lt;/strong&gt;

Thanks to one of my star students, Lee Birchall--a man with a degree from Dartmouth and a varsity athlete there who&#039;s now on the Alabama Law Review (look for a great article on golf law as a measure of...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ann Coulter: Come to Tuscaloosa</strong></p>
<p>Thanks to one of my star students, Lee Birchall&#8211;a man with a degree from Dartmouth and a varsity athlete there who&#8217;s now on the Alabama Law Review (look for a great article on golf law as a measure of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems as though the literature that critiques the present system is often on the left of the political spectrum. That supporting it is on the right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;this may be a silly thought, but I was interested to compare the use of the word &lt;i&gt;system&lt;/i&gt; in Al&#039;s post with the use of the word &lt;i&gt;establishment&lt;/i&gt; in TheLawGuy&#039;s. It seems like the two should go together, but as TLG points out, &quot;&lt;i&gt;[i]n the legal academy, the liberals &lt;/i&gt;are&lt;i&gt; the establishment&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; It strikes me as being interesting - it seems as though the establishment is determined to bring down the existing &lt;i&gt;system&lt;/i&gt;, while the conservative counterrevolutionaries are determined to sweep away the current &lt;i&gt;establishment&lt;/i&gt; to protect the &lt;i&gt;system&lt;/i&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seems as though the literature that critiques the present system is often on the left of the political spectrum. That supporting it is on the right.</p></blockquote>
<p>this may be a silly thought, but I was interested to compare the use of the word <i>system</i> in Al&#8217;s post with the use of the word <i>establishment</i> in TheLawGuy&#8217;s. It seems like the two should go together, but as TLG points out, &#8220;<i>[i]n the legal academy, the liberals </i>are<i> the establishment</i>.&#8221; It strikes me as being interesting &#8211; it seems as though the establishment is determined to bring down the existing <i>system</i>, while the conservative counterrevolutionaries are determined to sweep away the current <i>establishment</i> to protect the <i>system</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Brophy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred Brophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce&#039;s comment is interesting; it&#039;s true, there was a realignment of the positions of parties in the early part of the twentieth century (though that was more along the lines of attitudes towards African Americans than economic issues).

In the antebellum era, the Whigs (the fore-runners of the Republicans) were, of course, diverse.  They included such divergent thinkers as Lincoln, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and Alexander Stephens (later Vice-President of the Confederacy).  However, Whigs also stood (by and large) as the party of property rights.  (Whigs also were more in favor of government regulation, at least of morals.) The Democrats (then, as now) were by-and-large more concerned with concentration of wealth than the Whigs.  One classic confrontation between Whig and Democrat views of property was the Charles River Bridge case, in which Chief Roger Taney narrowly construed a state charter, to allow a competing bridge to be built.  Joseph Story dissented.

The Whigs portrayed themselves as the party of respect for property and ordered liberty.  Democrats (particularly Andrew Jackson) were seen as not sufficiently respectful of property or the rule of law.  Hard to make Kent out as anything other than a conservative.  He was opposed to expanding suffrage in New York, for instance. I think part of why Whigs authored legal treatises and Democrats didn&#039;t has something to do with their attitudes towards law.  If one takes law seriously, I suppose, that you&#039;re more likely to explore its intricacies.  At least that&#039;s been my operating hypothesis for a long time.

My colleague at the University of Alabama, Lawrence Kohl, published a very fine book on the differences between Whigs and Democrats, The Politics of Individualism: Parties and the American Character in the Jacksonian Era, a few years ago.  He discusses the nuances of what I&#039;ve just painted in very broad brush here.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce&#8217;s comment is interesting; it&#8217;s true, there was a realignment of the positions of parties in the early part of the twentieth century (though that was more along the lines of attitudes towards African Americans than economic issues).</p>
<p>In the antebellum era, the Whigs (the fore-runners of the Republicans) were, of course, diverse.  They included such divergent thinkers as Lincoln, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and Alexander Stephens (later Vice-President of the Confederacy).  However, Whigs also stood (by and large) as the party of property rights.  (Whigs also were more in favor of government regulation, at least of morals.) The Democrats (then, as now) were by-and-large more concerned with concentration of wealth than the Whigs.  One classic confrontation between Whig and Democrat views of property was the Charles River Bridge case, in which Chief Roger Taney narrowly construed a state charter, to allow a competing bridge to be built.  Joseph Story dissented.</p>
<p>The Whigs portrayed themselves as the party of respect for property and ordered liberty.  Democrats (particularly Andrew Jackson) were seen as not sufficiently respectful of property or the rule of law.  Hard to make Kent out as anything other than a conservative.  He was opposed to expanding suffrage in New York, for instance. I think part of why Whigs authored legal treatises and Democrats didn&#8217;t has something to do with their attitudes towards law.  If one takes law seriously, I suppose, that you&#8217;re more likely to explore its intricacies.  At least that&#8217;s been my operating hypothesis for a long time.</p>
<p>My colleague at the University of Alabama, Lawrence Kohl, published a very fine book on the differences between Whigs and Democrats, The Politics of Individualism: Parties and the American Character in the Jacksonian Era, a few years ago.  He discusses the nuances of what I&#8217;ve just painted in very broad brush here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the extent it makes sense to talk about liberals and conservatives in the 19th century at all (other than to refer to people who favor or oppose monarchies, for example), weren&#039;t Democrats the more &quot;conservative&quot; party?  It&#039;s only post-1932 that the party alignment came to resemble what it looks like today.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the extent it makes sense to talk about liberals and conservatives in the 19th century at all (other than to refer to people who favor or oppose monarchies, for example), weren&#8217;t Democrats the more &#8220;conservative&#8221; party?  It&#8217;s only post-1932 that the party alignment came to resemble what it looks like today.</p>
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		<title>By: thelawguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>thelawguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the legal academy, the liberals &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; the establishment.  Tribe, Sunstein, Kamisar, Lessig, etc.   The conservative legal academics are the outsiders looking to create change.  They key is that most legal scholarship today tends to be inward; it looks to change other legal scholarship, not the world.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the legal academy, the liberals <i>are</i> the establishment.  Tribe, Sunstein, Kamisar, Lessig, etc.   The conservative legal academics are the outsiders looking to create change.  They key is that most legal scholarship today tends to be inward; it looks to change other legal scholarship, not the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;are conservative legal academics the ones producing the most influential or the most interesting scholarship these days?&lt;/i&gt;

?????

It seems to me that conservative legal academics are mostly mired in L&amp;E (where the interesting work is generally blatantly wrong [e.g. fairness vs. welfare, everything Posner or Viscusi has ever written] and the correct work is boring and hypertechnical [e.g. everything in the journal of law and economics]), or originalist interpretations of every single misplaced comma and mustard stain in the constitution (interesting and influential, but a bit of a one-note song).

On the other hand, the much more interesting behavioral law and economics stuff comes from the left mostly (Hanson, Sunstein, Jolls, etc.), most of the cyberlaw people seem to be at least liberalish.  And then there&#039;s Balkin, Ackerman, Cole, Levinson, etc. etc.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>are conservative legal academics the ones producing the most influential or the most interesting scholarship these days?</i></p>
<p>?????</p>
<p>It seems to me that conservative legal academics are mostly mired in L&#038;E (where the interesting work is generally blatantly wrong [e.g. fairness vs. welfare, everything Posner or Viscusi has ever written] and the correct work is boring and hypertechnical [e.g. everything in the journal of law and economics]), or originalist interpretations of every single misplaced comma and mustard stain in the constitution (interesting and influential, but a bit of a one-note song).</p>
<p>On the other hand, the much more interesting behavioral law and economics stuff comes from the left mostly (Hanson, Sunstein, Jolls, etc.), most of the cyberlaw people seem to be at least liberalish.  And then there&#8217;s Balkin, Ackerman, Cole, Levinson, etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Law Student '06</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law Student '06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the fact that she went to a good law school, I think it&#039;s pretty safe to say that Ann Coulter is an academic of any type.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the fact that she went to a good law school, I think it&#8217;s pretty safe to say that Ann Coulter is an academic of any type.</p>
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