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	<title>Comments on: Update on Zywicki, Measure 37, and Quotations</title>
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		<title>By: Kaimi</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/10/update_on_zywic_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-62638</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, L-D, what part of &quot;I was wrong on the facts&quot; is anything other than an admission that I was wrong on the facts?

I suggest you turn your attention to Mr. Zywicki&#039;s original post, which still contains uncorrected factual misstatements (that I&#039;ve pointed out to him in e-mail and in this post).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, L-D, what part of &#8220;I was wrong on the facts&#8221; is anything other than an admission that I was wrong on the facts?</p>
<p>I suggest you turn your attention to Mr. Zywicki&#8217;s original post, which still contains uncorrected factual misstatements (that I&#8217;ve pointed out to him in e-mail and in this post).</p>
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		<title>By: Lame-detector</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/10/update_on_zywic_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-62637</link>
		<dc:creator>Lame-detector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Tom, the &quot;you&quot; at the beginning of my post referred to Kaimipono D. Wenger, not Tom Blumer.  I agree with your point.  I was annoyed to see Kaimipono refuse to fully acknowledge his carelessness and error.]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Tom, the "you" at the beginning of my post referred to Kaimipono D. Wenger, not Tom Blumer.  I agree with your point.  I was annoyed to see Kaimipono refuse to fully acknowledge his carelessness and error.]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong? Please. The quote is R-E-A-L.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong? Please. The quote is R-E-A-L.</p>
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		<title>By: Lame-detector</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/10/update_on_zywic_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-62635</link>
		<dc:creator>Lame-detector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice, DanRatheresque non-mea culpa.

You fired too fast and were wrong.  Leave it there instead of saying &quot;I fired too fast and got it wrong, but it was a circumstance in which I might have been right and, if you really parse it carefully, I could be half-right after all.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice, DanRatheresque non-mea culpa.</p>
<p>You fired too fast and were wrong.  Leave it there instead of saying &#8220;I fired too fast and got it wrong, but it was a circumstance in which I might have been right and, if you really parse it carefully, I could be half-right after all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blumer</title>
		<link>http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/10/update_on_zywic_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-62634</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Blumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the &quot;acknowledgment of factual errors in the original post.&quot;

I made it crystal clear in my original post that it was a &quot;They said that he said&quot; situation. If, based on your skepticism of &quot;advocacy groups,&quot; you wish to discount the reliability of the statement, that&#039;s your choice as the reader.

So a dubious reader could choose to remain dubious. But one attempting to assert, as you did, that the quote is &quot;bogus&quot; (meaning &quot;made up,&quot; with no &quot;maybe&quot; present in your original post&#039;s title) is assuming the burden of proof when he makes that assertion. If you don&#039;t have the proof, you&#039;re the one being irresponsible, at least in the title, not the person who relayed the comment and clearly indicated its source.

That said, I mischaracterized the quote by assuming it was from a lawyer for the M37 opposition, instead of another lawyer, and, based on another e-mail from Mr. Myers, I have clarified that matter at the original post:

http://www.bizzyblog.com/?p=671

This is part of the &quot;self-correction&quot; built into the blogosphere that the mainstream media all too often blows off. So I appreciate your raising the issue, and your indirect contribution to my post&#039;s accuracy, and to helping me and my readers get closer to the truth, which is what I hope we are all pursuing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the &#8220;acknowledgment of factual errors in the original post.&#8221;</p>
<p>I made it crystal clear in my original post that it was a &#8220;They said that he said&#8221; situation. If, based on your skepticism of &#8220;advocacy groups,&#8221; you wish to discount the reliability of the statement, that&#8217;s your choice as the reader.</p>
<p>So a dubious reader could choose to remain dubious. But one attempting to assert, as you did, that the quote is &#8220;bogus&#8221; (meaning &#8220;made up,&#8221; with no &#8220;maybe&#8221; present in your original post&#8217;s title) is assuming the burden of proof when he makes that assertion. If you don&#8217;t have the proof, you&#8217;re the one being irresponsible, at least in the title, not the person who relayed the comment and clearly indicated its source.</p>
<p>That said, I mischaracterized the quote by assuming it was from a lawyer for the M37 opposition, instead of another lawyer, and, based on another e-mail from Mr. Myers, I have clarified that matter at the original post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bizzyblog.com/?p=671" rel="nofollow">http://www.bizzyblog.com/?p=671</a></p>
<p>This is part of the &#8220;self-correction&#8221; built into the blogosphere that the mainstream media all too often blows off. So I appreciate your raising the issue, and your indirect contribution to my post&#8217;s accuracy, and to helping me and my readers get closer to the truth, which is what I hope we are all pursuing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But for the moment, enough time has passed, and it&#039;s time for me to publicly acknowledge the factual errors in my original post.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe I&#039;m still asleep, but what factual errors?  You made the perfectly reasonable observation that the process by which the quote was obtained, was unreliable.  The process &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; unreliable.  If we relied on that process for source information, we&#039;d be wrong as often as right.  So I don&#039;t think you made any factual errors, and the criticisms of your original post remain valid.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But for the moment, enough time has passed, and it&#8217;s time for me to publicly acknowledge the factual errors in my original post.</i></p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m still asleep, but what factual errors?  You made the perfectly reasonable observation that the process by which the quote was obtained, was unreliable.  The process <b>was</b> unreliable.  If we relied on that process for source information, we&#8217;d be wrong as often as right.  So I don&#8217;t think you made any factual errors, and the criticisms of your original post remain valid.</p>
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